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They can see what needs fixing, but will it actually be fixed?

I think the rules should allow for a bit more creativity on strategy and cars, although eventually everyone does come to the same conclusion and cars start to be very similar after some time. A limit on the number of elements in multi-element wings should make it easier for cars to follow each other and hopefully give closer racing, remove the whole hybrid system, a weight and cost reduction that should stop them being like tanks and have no restriction on fuel flow with no refuelling (max 100KG?), to allow people to either save a little fuel for the end of the race or burn it at the start and run lean with a lighter car. Might be a bit more interesting than the robotic ~60 lap train, pack up, spray champagne, next track.
 
Flibster said:
I'm liking the sound of him wanting to scrap Ferrari's $100 million a year 'Hell, you're Ferrari, have some money' bonus. Split it evenly between all the teams. Possibly even just those outside the top 3 teams of the previous year.

He does seem to have his head screwed on properly, which will make a change for F1. Now, to deal with Toad....
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Good bye Ferrari in that case.
 
I'm really interested in the ideas being mooted. The idea of a week long event of activities that you can dip in and out of sounds really promising - it already works well at some venues. Those saying that it won't work because circuits are in the country are talking nonsense - all the fans stay in venues around the circuits not sitting in a field outside.

Ironic that we've had all innovation and creativity stifled where the show's concerned for the best part of two decades, yet now it is open to new ideas suddenly all some people can do is criticise them. For those people, the best thing about F1 is that it is something else to moan about.
 
Le Mans is one of the best examples of a week-long festival surrounding a race, and it works very well. F1 could do worse than model itself on that.
 
Marvin said:
Le Mans is one of the best examples of a week-long festival surrounding a race, and it works very well. F1 could do worse than model itself on that.
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There was 263,000 people at Le Mans 24 hours. There was 400,000 over a Silverstone race weekend.
And Silverstone still lost money. I think they need to get the gape down to 0.50 of a second between cars on race day.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124219

http://www.motorsport.com/lemans/news/2016-le-mans-24-hours-263-500-spectators-789940/
 
deuse said:
How many extra people would go to Silverstone? Unless they do it in the Holiday time I can't see it working.
There are no hotels to stay at and the traffic would put people off.
It may work in places like las vegas. But most tracks are in the country side. Well the best tracks are there.
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What about people camping at the tracks like Silverstone, Spa, etc? It'd be perfect for it to have more music, entertainment, etc running up to the race.

And then have a load of events going on in the cities near the race. Just because the tracks are in the countryside doesn't mean it can't work.
 
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deuse said:
There was 263,000 people at Le Mans 24 hours. There was 400,000 over a Silverstone race weekend.
And Silverstone still lost money. I think they need to get the gape down to 0.50 of a second between cars on race day.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124219

http://www.motorsport.com/lemans/news/2016-le-mans-24-hours-263-500-spectators-789940/
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The 263,500 figure is the race-attendance figure i.e. 263,500 people watched the race at the track. The 400,000 figure at Silverstone is the weekend attendance figure, basically, how many tickets were scanned in over three days. The article you link even says the race day attendance was aiming to be over 150,000.

Even aside from Le Mans much higher attendance, that wasn't the point I was making. :confused:
 
timmeh said:
What about people camping at the tracks like Silverstone, Spa, etc? It'd be perfect for it to have more music, entertainment, etc running up to the race.

And then have a load of events going on in the cities near the race. Just because the tracks are in the countryside doesn't mean it can't work.
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Ive done Spa twice... Both times it was like a festival... loads of drunk germans listening to europop with hilarious consequences!

I would go again just to see that!
 
Marvin said:
The 263,500 figure is the race-attendance figure i.e. 263,500 people watched the race at the track. The 400,000 figure at Silverstone is the weekend attendance figure, basically, how many tickets were scanned in over three days. The article you link even says the race day attendance was aiming to be over 150,000.

Even aside from Le Mans much higher attendance, that wasn't the point I was making. :confused:
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Sorry dude. What was your point?
 
deuse, this is the link to the article which I quoted. It seems as though you quoted another article which covered the points which Chase Carey raised.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38679158

Specifically, this paragraph.

Ecclestone is called the "promoter". But many argue that's a misnomer - in that he doesn't really do any promoting at all.

Arrive in any city or country hosting a grand prix and it is often hard to tell there is an event going on.

Many races are not sold out - but how are people who might have a passing interest in going expected to know when that opportunity exists without them being advertised effectively?

Liberty are talking about having "20 Super Bowls". By which they don't mean an Americanisation of the event - but of making a bigger deal of the event itself wherever it is being held.
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Kol said:
2019 it's exclusive to Sky. No FTA coverage at all.
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The beginning of the end has already started and that will be the nail in the coffin for F1 in this country. They have already stated they need to bring younger fans to the sport, FTA is the only way. Skys F1 base in this country is tiny. F1 has done nothing to look after the next generation of fans.
 
And they are absolutely correct in their ambition. In some respects F1 recently is incredibly successful, in others it has huge unrealised potential. The current product is around 60 hours per year of action, if you consider qualifying and racing but exclude practice. The revenue generation from such a limited product is enormous but the exposure is tiny. Just think about F1 coverage in the UK before Sky got hold of it - live broadcast for 15 minutes before and after qualifying if you were lucky, and 30 minutes before and after the race. Aside from that, F1 is completely absent. The sport's own website and other outlets had virtually nothing.

Today we have the likes of Sky trying to really up the coverage. Practice sessions, post race analysis, mid week review. Teams have worked around the lack of central promotion and have their own websites and huge marketing teams engaging across social media. And the end result is still tiny - just more content for the same fans.

Liberty have a great opportunity to amplify F1 to a far wider audience. Bernie was focussed on monetising the sport at the expense of the number of fans. I think Liberty will very much want to broaden the reach of the sport, and the broader it gets then the more sponsorship and advertising opportunities there are, rather than being restricted to just a select few.
 
dannyjo22 said:
The beginning of the end has already started and that will be the nail in the coffin for F1 in this country. They have already stated they need to bring younger fans to the sport, FTA is the only way. Skys F1 base in this country is tiny. F1 has done nothing to look after the next generation of fans.
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FTA TV is not the only way at all. Far from it.
 
dannyjo22 said:
The beginning of the end has already started and that will be the nail in the coffin for F1 in this country. They have already stated they need to bring younger fans to the sport, FTA is the only way. Skys F1 base in this country is tiny. F1 has done nothing to look after the next generation of fans.
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FTA is dying, as is sky, more and more people are ditching teh tv license and as such both FTA, sky and virgin.

if they really want to bring in young generation, they will need to embrace the internet and it can be paid as long as its sensible. Netflix, youtube or somethign along those lines, chance of that happening is slim though.

what tehy need to do is end tv deals, and move online, that way they can get rid of geo-blocking and just release everything every where, without the restrctions sky and others force on them.
 
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deuse said:
Sorry dude. What was your point?
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That Le Mans is a massive event - a week long festival culminating in the race. This is what F1 should model their Grands Prix on. This much was obvious from the post, but I assume you selectively read.
 
Marvin said:
That Le Mans is a massive event - a week long festival culminating in the race. This is what F1 should model their Grands Prix on. This much was obvious from the post, but I assume you selectively read.
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Yes you are right. Le Mans is a awesome event and brings in lots of people.
Le Mans beats F1 as it's free to watch the whole 24 HR race.

But with the F1s new power units I can't see teams sending the cars out for more practice\race runs.

But if they bring back the V10\V8 I could see F1 doing more. But I don't think any team would.
 
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EVH said:
deuse, this is the link to the article which I quoted. It seems as though you quoted another article which covered the points which Chase Carey raised.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38679158

Specifically, this paragraph.
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That to me that sounds great. Well that's until you read that the new owners won't be lowering the cost of a race.

To me the new F1 team can sing and dance as much as they like about the race.
But if one can't afford to watch it on TV or go to the track, what is the point?
I'm hoping that Brawn will do away with a lot of the cars aero. But by 2020 it will be to late. In my opinion.
 
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