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I believe that a sort of umbrella covering the new car specs is what they intended to achieve, for instance the rear wing was intended to throw the air up and away from the following car. If your rear wing is designed to reduce this then even if it is in the rules technically, it is still not allowed.
So in this case the whole of the floor must be rigid.
Some teams have designed the rear part of the floor so that it operates in a similar fashion to the front tray and can deflect upwards by more than the rules allow because the load is higher than that used in the test.
Presumably the teams have gone a lot further at the rear floor as it is not even load tested.

They say it allows rb to run a high rake, but I'm struggling to understand this, my guess is the rear suspension is softer than it would otherwise be and the car can run both higher and lower with no damage as the floor has significant compliance. I'm surprised they gave them so long to sort it out, presumably those affected have stated they could not make the changes any earlier.

This would also explain the Toto melt down in Canada .

I think the teams involved will have good solution in place, but I would make merc favourite for the French gp, their car looked pretty solid at Silverstone.
 
GravyMonster said:
Just in case anyone missed this from the pre-race broadcast:
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Saw this and I remember the reports from a couple of years ago when Set bought the car. It was great to see that piece before the race.

The question has to be asked, what car did Nigel drive up the hill at Goodwood last weekend, the claims then were that it was the car he won the championship in but it was also said that the car he drove had problems with the clutch/gearbox and he couldn't go higher than second gear.
 
MissChief said:
It's always been a game of cat and mouse between the FIA and the Scrutineers/Stewards and the Teams and their designers going over the regulations with a fine toothed comb looking for any loophole or advantage they can glean. If the droopy wings were passing the Load tests as they were set out, were they illegal? Technically no, but then the rules do state any aerodynamic surface most not move!
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This is not the intention this season and the fia have made it clear that the intention of the rules is what matters loop holes will not be tolerated, they want all cars to have similar performance and have stated that even if something magic within the rules is found it will not be allowed. I'm surprised this got this far tbh.
I suspect that toto among others was working to this principle.
 
Feek said:
Saw this and I remember the reports from a couple of years ago when Set bought the car. It was great to see that piece before the race.

The question has to be asked, what car did Nigel drive up the hill at Goodwood last weekend, the claims then were that it was the car he won the championship in but it was also said that the car he drove had problems with the clutch/gearbox and he couldn't go higher than second gear.
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I thought it was the same car, gearbox issues can be fixed.
 
Feek said:
Saw this and I remember the reports from a couple of years ago when Set bought the car. It was great to see that piece before the race.

The question has to be asked, what car did Nigel drive up the hill at Goodwood last weekend, the claims then were that it was the car he won the championship in but it was also said that the car he drove had problems with the clutch/gearbox and he couldn't go higher than second gear.
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I've just compared the two as i am sad and the only difference i can see is that the airbox had race without trace(At Silverstone) instead of the camel(At Goodwood) Does that prove anything? Not really... :D But i remember Nigel saying the same about the car when i watched the FOS stream.
 
Feek said:
Yeah, didn't he say it was old technology and very fragile which is not the impression I got when Seb was blatting around Silverstone.
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Not sure if it will put you in the right place but its @ the 1:59:25 mark he talks about the Williams. Whilst sat in his old Ferrari. (Its a tough life! Lol)
 
Ooof that's a serious one. I hate sausage kerbs.

Abbie Eaton of Grand Tour and Formula W broke her back last year over one. They're just proving more dangerous.
 
Blew his door off as well! Those kerbs are basically putting a ramp just off the track, will the fia wait till someone is killed before they get shot of them?

Even the most crazy crash of recent times was pretty much exacerbated by them (car took off over the blue sausage kerb on the inside) and that was 4 years ago:

 
MissChief said:
The question is though, how will they police track limits without them? That's what they're there for, although I admit I don't like them either.
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The stewards at the Austrian GP this weekend had static cameras head on to the corners on some key turns (9 and 10) this weekend. Granted this wouldn’t be feasible for all circuits or forms of motorsport.

Could also allow on board camera footage from rival vehicles to be used although it may only be reviewed after the race.
 
Stu999 said:
The stewards at the Austrian GP this weekend had static cameras head on to the corners on some key turns (9 and 10) this weekend. Granted this wouldn’t be feasible for all circuits or forms of motorsport.

Could also allow on board camera footage from rival vehicles to be used although it may only be reviewed after the race.
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Solid concrete walls work very well too.

Never get track limit issues, at street cicuits.
 
Entai said:
Solid concrete walls work very well too.

Never get track limit issues, at street cicuits.
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No but you tend to get immediate red flags as the cars aren't as easily recovered, tecpro barriers have to be rebuilt, and run the risk of more severe accidents where cars bounce off one barrier back into the racing line and get collected

There is no "one size fits all" solution unfortunately.
 
Armageus said:
No but you tend to get immediate red flags as the cars aren't as easily recovered, tecpro barriers have to be rebuilt, and run the risk of more severe accidents where cars bounce off one barrier back into the racing line and get collected

There is no "one size fits all" solution unfortunately.
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But those incidents are rarer.
Look at today multiple incidents of exceeding track limits every lap.

These are the worlds top drivers, they can place their car within millimetres of where they want it to be.

If they can grab a centimetre and get a thousandth faster lap time they will.

If there is a solid concrete wall, they will not deliberately hit it every lap to get a better time, and when they do hit it they are out.

Far better solution than stupid kerbs and lots of penalties.


If you really want a fair solution look at electronics.
Extremely simple to fit sensors so that any part of any tyre even very slightly touches a white line, it is one strike, three strikes and you are disqualified from this race and the next one, as a real deterrent.

You will instantly over night never get a deliberate track limit violation again.
Only exceptions being when nudged by another car, or if they spin off for whatever reason, but they are extremely easy to spot exceptions.
 
Entai said:
But those incidents are rarer.
Look at today multiple incidents of exceeding track limits every lap.

These are the worlds top drivers, they can place their car within millimetres of where they want it to be.

If they can grab a centimetre and get a thousandth faster lap time they will.

If there is a solid concrete wall, they will not deliberately hit it every lap to get a better time, and when they do hit it they are out.

Far better solution than stupid kerbs and lots of penalties.


If you really want a fair solution look at electronics.
Extremely simple to fit sensors so that any part of any tyre even very slightly touches a white line, it is one strike, three strikes and you are disqualified from this race and the next one, as a real deterrent.

You will instantly over night never get a deliberate track limit violation again.
Only exceptions being when nudged by another car, or if they spin off for whatever reason, but they are extremely easy to spot exceptions.
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Having solid concrete walls at the Monza chicanes will just mean more accidents though as cars hit them and end up blocking the track and potentially getting hit by other cars too. 'Piercing' crashes side on are still a danger and are to be avoided.
 
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