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I have no sympathy for the track limits moaners, they need to make the punishment a lot harsher, they'd soon learn then.
At least 10 secs or something. 5 seconds is too lenient.
 
MissChief said:
Having solid concrete walls at the Monza chicanes will just mean more accidents though as cars hit them and end up blocking the track and potentially getting hit by other cars too. 'Piercing' crashes side on are still a danger and are to be avoided.
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Err doesn't happen at Monaco apart from when Schumacher wanted pole.
 
chrismscotland said:
Colton Herta getting a two day McLaren test at Portimao next week ahead of a run in FP1 at some point

Autosport: Colton Herta McLaren Test

Could ramp the pressure up on Ricciardo if he does well
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He’s already down for FP1 at Texas. They must be taking him very seriously to give him this run out.

Superlicence points might be an issue though.

https://f1.fandom.com/wiki/FIA_Super_Licence has a table for points given. Also,
Drivers may also earn points for:

  1. 1 point – Driving at least 100 km during a Free Practice session for up to 10 points.
  2. 2 points – Completing an FIA Championship with a penalty points system without receiving any penalty points.
  3. 5 points – Winning the Macau Grand Prix

Via his 5th (2021), 3rd (2020) and 7th-place (2019) IndyCar championship finishes, Herta sits at 32 Super License points. Without any practice or testing points, he would gain the ability to apply for a Super License at the end of the 2022 IndyCar season, should he finish 3rd or better in the championship, which would give him 48 points.

Except he’s currently in 10th and realistically has no chance to win or get third unless something truly miraculous happens. So even if McLaren did want him to replace Ricciardo he can’t.
 
Entai said:
If you really want a fair solution look at electronics.
Extremely simple to fit sensors so that any part of any tyre even very slightly touches a white line, it is one strike, three strikes and you are disqualified from this race and the next one, as a real deterrent.
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I guess the electronics on the car is the easy bit but miles and miles of track not so much? Probably more feasible to have cameras on the car pointing directly down and detecting the white line. Isn’t Hawkeye (tennis) actually just cameras rather than sensors?
 
MissChief said:
The question is though, how will they police track limits without them? That's what they're there for, although I admit I don't like them either.
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There's surely loads of ways of doing this, from track modifications to penalties. Allowing dangerous track features in order to police track limits is unacceptable.

Personally, I reckon they should put a strip of grass round the track when there are wide run-offs, about a metre wide or so, enough to cut grip but with space beyond it to slow the cars or allow recovery to the track.
 
Scam said:
Probably more feasible to have cameras on the car pointing directly down and detecting the white line.
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The problem with having onboard cameras detecting track limits is that the cars can currently only stream 1 camera feed back to race control at a time. All the other cameras are recorded to a data store on the car which are then downloaded then the car gets back to the pits. There's a good video on the subject here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SidxhQj04Os

For the car to have an additional 2/4 cameras which stream back to race control would mean that the entire network infrastructure which streams the live feeds from the cars would have to be completely re-vamped and improved at massive cost. They would also have to employ extra stewards just to monitor the 80 simultaneous video feeds from the cars to monitor track limits.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not something they would implement over night, assuming it's even feasible at all in reality.
 
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GravyMonster said:
The problem with having onboard cameras detecting track limits is that the cars can currently only stream 1 camera feed back to race control at a time. All the other cameras are recorded to a data store on the car which are then downloaded then the car gets back to the pits. There's a good video on the subject here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SidxhQj04Os
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You don't need to send the feed, you send the analytic result of whether a white line has been detected.

But then what happens with false-positives on grid slots, random marks on street tracks, etc.
 
Mr Jack said:
You don't need to send the feed, you send the analytic result of whether a white line has been detected.

But then what happens with false-positives on grid slots, random marks on street tracks, etc.
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Detection data sent to race control, then manual cross reference with circuit based cameras, (exactly as is done currently to penalise track limits) race control then decide if actual penalty or false signal, and send team penalty notification, if needed exactly as currently.

Really no difficulty in implementing within a race or two, if minds are willing to.

Oops beaten too it.
 
Mr Jack said:
There's surely loads of ways of doing this, from track modifications to penalties. Allowing dangerous track features in order to police track limits is unacceptable.

Personally, I reckon they should put a strip of grass round the track when there are wide run-offs, about a metre wide or so, enough to cut grip but with space beyond it to slow the cars or allow recovery to the track.
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I like that idea. Go beyond track limits and you’re going to lose multiple seconds following a marked lane to rejoin the track, but you aren’t going to wreck the car.
 
V8 supercars have had sensors on the cars for years for this very issue at Adelaide and it works just fine. Sensor on the car, sensor in the road and it pings race control. Easy.
 
MissChief said:
He’s already down for FP1 at Texas. They must be taking him very seriously to give him this run out.

Superlicence points might be an issue though.

https://f1.fandom.com/wiki/FIA_Super_Licence has a table for points given. Also,
Drivers may also earn points for:

  1. 1 point – Driving at least 100 km during a Free Practice session for up to 10 points.
  2. 2 points – Completing an FIA Championship with a penalty points system without receiving any penalty points.
  3. 5 points – Winning the Macau Grand Prix

Via his 5th (2021), 3rd (2020) and 7th-place (2019) IndyCar championship finishes, Herta sits at 32 Super License points. Without any practice or testing points, he would gain the ability to apply for a Super License at the end of the 2022 IndyCar season, should he finish 3rd or better in the championship, which would give him 48 points.

Except he’s currently in 10th and realistically has no chance to win or get third unless something truly miraculous happens. So even if McLaren did want him to replace Ricciardo he can’t.
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Sorry to quote myself but it seems that Zak Brown said yesterday after the GP that they’re trying all they can to give Daniel a car he can drive fast both for the remainder of this season and next. So it looks like he might be staying.
 
Sao Paulo Judge investigating Piquet.

Now a judge in Sao Paolo has ordered an investigation into Piquet’s comments, after a human rights group brought charges against him for causing moral damage to black and LGBTQ+ people.

The charges include a claim for Piquet to pay around £1.5m in damages. Piquet will have 15 days to state his case to judge Felipe Costa da Fonseca Gomes of the Distrito Federal court.
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metro.co.uk

Former F1 champion Piquet facing court & huge fine over racist abuse of Hamilton

The Brazilian used disgraceful language to describe the Mercedes driver.
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk
 
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