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jonneymendoza said:
Well he is not wrong though.
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Thats the whole point. He didn't complain about this when it was Mercedes dominating for years with him behind the wheel. He professes to care deeply about the environment while he minces around the world constantly generating a huge carbon footprint. Hes just a massive hypocrite.

It doesn't make it any better that he acknowledges his own period of dominance. Hes got those trophies.

Mans a pillock.
 
fez said:
Thats the whole point. He didn't complain about this when it was Mercedes dominating for years with him behind the wheel. He professes to care deeply about the environment while he minces around the world constantly generating a huge carbon footprint. Hes just a massive hypocrite.

It doesn't make it any better that he acknowledges his own period of dominance. Hes got those trophies.

Mans a pillock.
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His not a pillock.

He is right. end of discussion.

During merc's dominance, they wasnt always the fastes car on track.

Ferrari were more than a match for them in some of the seasons and red bull had the edge in 2021 season.

Stop crying over Hamilton' success.

Yes he is a bit of a hipocrite for saying the above, but the above is facts.

Like it or, he has point and you cant disagree with him
 
jonneymendoza said:
His not a pillock.

He is right. end of discussion.

During merc's dominance, they wasnt always the fastes car on track.

Ferrari were more than a match for them in some of the seasons and red bull had the edge in 2021 season.

Stop crying over Hamilton' success.

Yes he is a bit of a hipocrite for saying the above, but the above is facts.

Like it or, he has point and you cant disagree with him
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I haven't at any point said I disagree with what he is saying or that hes not right... Being right and being a pillock aren't mutually exclusive.

As to crying over his success, I'm not quite sure where you got that from. You are doing some strong reading between the lines. Dominance isn't good for any sport but I don't care that Hamilton was the guy dominating beyond the fact its not good for the sport. Its good to have british sports people winning things. I'm not going to give them a pass for being an idiot just because they come from the same country as myself.
 
fez said:
I haven't at any point said I disagree with what he is saying or that hes not right... Being right and being a pillock aren't mutually exclusive.

As to crying over his success, I'm not quite sure where you got that from. You are doing some strong reading between the lines. Dominance isn't good for any sport but I don't care that Hamilton was the guy dominating beyond the fact its not good for the sport. Its good to have british sports people winning things. I'm not going to give them a pass for being an idiot just because they come from the same country as myself.
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I disagree with you though. What he said is true regardless of whether he exploited that with his teams dominance or not.

Why are you focusing on who said it rather than what was actually said?

His not wrong and the idea ye given is a good sound one.

One could also say that why change the rules in 2022 when we just had the most compelling competitive season between two manufacturers?

That's what we all want right? To have more than one team fighting for titles...

But no let's completely change the rules again and let one team again dominate the sport
 
He said: "In my 17 years of being here, even before I got here, you would see periods of dominance and it continues to happen.

"I was very fortunate to have one of those periods and Max [Verstappen] is having one now.

"With the way it's going, it will continue to happen over and over again, and I don't think we need that in the sport.

"When you are so far ahead, 100 points ahead, you don't really need to do a lot of development on your car so you can start earlier on your next car. And with the budget cap that means spending that year's money on next year's car.

"Something has got to change because when we were winning championships, we could start earlier than everyone else.

"It would be cool to see in the next period if we don't have huge bands of time when one team is ahead because we want to see better racing."
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I don't see the problem with what he is saying. He acknowledges it's been a thing before he got to F1 and it's still going on and he directly benefitted from one of those periods.

What a shock that a team not currently benefitting from domination will raise concerns - but at least he acknowledged that he benefitted from dominance and I feel in 2019 he acknowledged it may turn fans away from the sport.

It's like Horner crying during the domination of Mercedes but you're hardly going to hear him harp on the quality of the show now his team has their foot on the neck of the opposition.
 
Junglist said:
I don't see the problem with what he is saying. He acknowledges it's been a thing before he got to F1 and it's still going on and he directly benefitted from one of those periods.

What a shock that a team not currently benefitting from domination will raise concerns - but at least he acknowledged that he benefitted from dominance and I feel in 2019 he acknowledged it may turn fans away from the sport.

It's like Horner crying during the domination of Mercedes but you're hardly going to hear him harp on the quality of the show now his team has their foot on the neck of the opposition.
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Finally someone understands Hamilton and his comments.

He clearly even said that he benefited from it.

I don't think most f1 fans would disagree with what Hamilton has said
 
jonneymendoza said:
Finally someone understands Hamilton and his comments.

He clearly even said that he benefited from it.

I don't think most f1 fans would disagree with what Hamilton has said
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Some people just have a bee in their bonnet with Lewis.

Here's what he said in 2019.
"If you say it's boring, I totally understand it," Hamilton said after his win. "Don't blame the drivers. We don't write the rules. Put the pressure on the people at the top, who should be doing their jobs. They have made mistakes for many, many years."

“It’s really important for people to realise it’s not the driver’s fault,” he said. “This is a constant cycle of F1, for years and years, even before I got here, it’s because of the way Bernie [Ecclestone] had it set up and the decisions that were made then are still the same. Until that management structure changes it will continue to be the same. That’s not my job, it’s my job to do the best I can as a driver.”
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So he was saying it even when he was benefitting from dominance.

But then you have a certain Mr Horner who claimed in 2017....

Mercedes dominance is hurting Formula 1 - Christian Horner​

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Christian Horner thinks Mercedes' dominance has been unhealthy for F1​

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I wonder if Horner believes what his current team are doing is unhealthy for F1 now he is the beneficiary of the situation?

What was that statement Vettel made during his run of domination? Accusing other teams of dangling their balls in the pool? The ones at the top are always going to accuse the other teams of not doing a good enough of a job, they'll never see their own domination as an issue.
 
We all know Horner is the most hypocritical TP in the Paddock. There's a reason he got his nickname as a comparison to his Spice Girl wife.

It's also clear that, while in a position of dominance that evolution is cheap, revolution is not. It's much cheaper to refine an existing rocketship than to have to almost rip apart your car and fundamentally redesign it. Red Bull's 'punishment' has hardly made a dent in their progress or development. As far as they were concerned it was worth it and they'd do it again if it meant domination again. Any punishment for cap breaches needs to be meaningful and harsh, not only as a deterrent but also to show that cheating doesn't pay.
 
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To be honest the 2021 ending and seeing them get away with bending the rules has killed a lot of my enjoyment of the sport and with the dominance they're now showing... I tip my hat to them as they've done an incredible job and that needs commending but I have no desire to watch. I can count on one hand how many sessions I've gone out of my way to catch.

Same as this weekend. I'll be going for a ride and may listen to it on the radio or catch highlights.
 
The only change you could make to end dominance would be to have a common car from a single source (say Dallara with Newey designing it).

That would kill a lot of the interest in the sport. Half of the fun is seeing how different teams interpret the rules and use their design and manufacturing skill.
 
jonneymendoza said:
I disagree with you though. What he said is true regardless of whether he exploited that with his teams dominance or not.
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I don't think you are disagreeing with me because I have said a number of times that what he has said is true. We have this all the time in politics. A wealthy Tory politician probably should be talking about cost of living issues even if they are 100% correct because they are fundamentally the wrong person to be preaching on that topic.

jonneymendoza said:
Why are you focusing on who said it rather than what was actually said?
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Because thats how everything works. Context. If Norris said it, it would be exactly the same message i.e. the truth but people wouldn't think he was being a bit of an idiot because he hadn't just benefitted from years of being in the best car. Like it or not, the source of the truth matters.

I haven't heard anyone say "nah, dominance is good for the sport" people are just a bit narky that is Lewis saying it because he had such a long spell of dominance.

jonneymendoza said:
One could also say that why change the rules in 2022 when we just had the most compelling competitive season between two manufacturers?
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Because up until that point it hadn't been the case and one year doesn't change that and you can't get to the end of the season and say "sorry chaps, rolling back those rule changes, last year was a banger right!"

jonneymendoza said:
That's what we all want right? To have more than one team fighting for titles...

But no let's completely change the rules again and let one team again dominate the sport
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Of course we want more than one team fighting to win the championship. The issue is that its almost impossible to achieve what they are trying to achieve without completely changing the way the sport works and essentially putting them all in the same car.
 
Didn't A1 try that and was a spectacular flop? The issue is just as the teams were coming together in 2020/2021, they changed it and we are back to 1 team smashing it and all the others fumbling the bag.
 
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