Neither do I, RB are definitely not my preferred team, far from it, but you got to admire what they’ve achieved in sport and the manner in which Horner has achieved it. Perhaps some are insanely jealous of this, I don't know...
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If you'd like to point out any "insane" posts from me regarding this Horner story then feel free. I'm waiting. I haven't said anything about Marko, Jos or Horner that isn't true and accepted.
Flippin' well said, sir. Let's not forget Horner is the guy who recently went on a Sky sports panel show and was taking the **** out of Mercedes for AD'21. He has zero class.
I mean, you could go Google "Helmut Marko comment" and pick any of the results tbh...
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Yes he's an idiot, no-one is debating that. No reason to mis-use toxic. Just say he brings the sport into disrepute or similar. They are hardly poisonous or harmful to life. There's no need for extravagant exaggeration.
I notice that a lot on these forums. People tend to over-use whatever the 'phrase of the day' is for a while. Remember quoted for truth? In more recent times it's been strawman, now everything is toxic.
No more worse than if I googled 'scams toxic comments'...
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I think when it comes to the way RB treat Perez - it's the perfect word actually.
I think it describes the team's wider (public) attitude quite well and I stand by that. There's been many articles and reports saying the same thing. We can agree to disagree though.
F1 to me isn't really a sport. It's a business and entertainment. Well that's how I see it anyway. As my interest wanes over time but I still have that time investment in it I now just watch for good races. The forum is great for that. If it's rated below 5 I just watch YouTube 5 min type recaps.
If its 8-10 I'll watch the replay on c4.
I guess some people live out. It's nothing compared to the insane football fans you get. But there is a lot of hostility in chat rooms.
I guess some people just like the drama. And will find it where they can
If its 8-10 I'll watch the replay on c4.
I guess some people live out. It's nothing compared to the insane football fans you get. But there is a lot of hostility in chat rooms.
I guess some people just like the drama. And will find it where they can
Does Marko actually cause you distress or harm because you're unsupported, manipulated or disrespected? As for how RB have treated Perez, jeez man how long have you actually been following F1, 5 mins of Netflix?
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If you google what a Toxic relationship is you get:
"Your relationship may be toxic if it's characterized by behaviors that make you feel unhappy, including disrespect, dishonesty, controlling behaviors, or a lack of support"
Let's just remind ourselves of the what the papers say...oh yeah:
Dailymail: "Williams chief publicly addresses allegations of 'incredibly controlling behaviour' by Geri Halliwell's husband"
The Independent: "the complaint against Christian Horner came from a female colleague and is reported to concern 'inappropriate, controlling behaviour"
The Guardian: "Horner denies claims of controlling behaviour"
Daily Star: "Christian Horner is to be probed over his alleged controlling behaviour amid a vicious Red Bull power struggle, according to reports."
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Why are you defending Horner so vehemently? You don’t know him you have no clue how he behaves away from the tv camera.
There is an employee here who felt sufficient anguish to raise a complaint against him, that in itself is a difficult step to take.
The fact that it has been escalated to such a public and serious level must mean the case has some merit at least.
Either that or it’s a complex conspiracy to dump Horner.
In this country employees have the right to be treated as fairly.
What on earth is the relevance to whether Marko causes distress to scam? lol
It's ok Marko, carry on being a **** to everyone else, just be careful with OCUK forum members please.
I guess we now have to take quotes from newspapers as being the truth?
If you want a toxic environment go work for the sun, mail, star etc etc...
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Regardless of my opinion of the man, this should only be judged on the facts. If it turns out he is guilty then he should face punishment. If not, then the world moves on.
It's not looking great for him at the moment but we'll find out more on Friday. All speculation up until that point. That goes for both sides of the argument. The ones who think he belongs on a sex offenders list and the ones who think he wouldn't do such a thing.
All will be revealed soon enough.
It's not looking great for him at the moment but we'll find out more on Friday. All speculation up until that point. That goes for both sides of the argument. The ones who think he belongs on a sex offenders list and the ones who think he wouldn't do such a thing.
All will be revealed soon enough.
I doubt anything will be revealed. It will more likely be that he quietly leaves and it will be swept under the carpet if there were wrong doings. We will probably never truly hear without a major leak of the facts. This is standard in big corps. It happened at one of my former work places. 2 or 3 of the exec team and the CEO all left within weeks of each other. Announcement from company was just that they left, and we wish them well in the future. Clearly something went down but, they get paid off, leave and we all move on. It generally works best for everyone. Everyone except the victim.
Oh but if he isn't there as TP that's already an admission of guilt, in my eyes. Only way he is completely innocent is if he keeps his position
Unless all the ruffles about this really being about a power struggle are true but I'd imagine it would just be easier to terminate the contract.
Unless all the ruffles about this really being about a power struggle are true but I'd imagine it would just be easier to terminate the contract.
Yeah, I'm expecting - assuming RB decides the allegations are substantiated - that Horner will be stood down as quietly as possible and the employee who complained given a pay out to sign an NDA. No detailed information will be given to the public on a formal basis, we'll be left with rumours.
Unfortunately these days even if you're innocent you can be made to resign because of the negative media and gossip attention a company will receive. This thread is evidence of that...
The damage is already being done due to trial by social media. Even if he is completely innocent now, because this all got aired in public and became known, he would carry with him an uncertainty among his peers. His rep and trust and power would probably take a step down a notch. Over time it could be repaired but whether it would be too much in the interim, would be a decision they would have to make. The easiest one is to quietly move him along if there is any doubt. I think him staying is where he is completely in the clear. Even if he's done a couple of arguably minor level things, I think that would be enough now if proven that he might go.