Motorsport Off Topic Thread

Mesai said:
You replied though...

They are easily the most insane group of fans, followed by the Tifosi, and then probably the Orange Army.
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I meant a reply to actually address your claims about death threats singling out something a minority of a particular set of fans have done, which is completely irrelevant to a discussion about RED BULL.

But let's bring Lewis and Merc into it for sure. I think that says it all to be honest.
 
jaybee said:
I meant a reply to actually address your claims about death threats singling out something a minority of a particular set of fans have done, which is completely irrelevant to a discussion about RED BULL.

But let's bring Lewis and Merc into it for sure. I think that says it all to be honest.
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If you're going to stick the knife into Red Bull with your little hate post, don't get your knickers in a twist when others brings up something equally bad from a rival team. You like to dish it out and then moan when it's about you're beloved Lewis.

It's the off topic motorsport thread, no-one said the discussion has to be exclusively about Red Bull.
 
jaybee said:
I meant a reply to actually address your claims about death threats singling out something a minority of a particular set of fans have done, which is completely irrelevant to a discussion about RED BULL.

But let's bring Lewis and Merc into it for sure. I think that says it all to be honest.
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It was in the context of a comment that generalised RB.

I'm obviously aware that it's often a minority who cause issues, and I stated as much in a subsequent comment. You'll see them across all teams and sports, but some people are a bit single-track in their thought process.
 
Stumble Bum said:
If you're going to stick the knife into Red Bull with your little hate post, don't get your knickers in a twist when others brings up something equally bad from a rival team. You like to dish it out and then moan when it's about you're beloved Lewis.

It's the off topic motorsport thread, no-one said the discussion has to be exclusively about Red Bull.
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Tbh the discussion is about red bull and in particular Horner who last I checked, wasn't affiliated with Lewis Hamilton or Mercedes.

It's like blaming arsenal for Horner being in the spot light.

Why not discuss the matter at hand instead of dragging Lewis, merc arsenal, Apple,, trump, Biden etc etc to it?
 
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Mesai said:
It was in the context of a comment that generalised RB.

I'm obviously aware that it's often a minority who cause issues, and I stated as much in a subsequent comment. You'll see them across all teams and sports, but some people are a bit single-track in their thought process.
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This is the mentality of a typical football fan
 
It's just easier, and more mature, to admit that most of the bigger teams/drivers have a segment of fans who most of us wish weren't following the sport. "Yeah, but they do it too" isn't really an excuse a 'grown up' should be using. You only have to follow a few F1 accounts on social media, scroll down and you'll see a huge cesspit of fans from all fanbases being toxic.
 
Scam said:
One could argue that the toxicity of RB has been one of the main reasons for this… DTS the other of course.
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Really? This is pretty much the only F1 forum I frequent so my sample size it's small but to me it seems most toxicity is coming from Merc/ Lewis fans and I get that this is UK forum so majority will be biased towards British driver. I mentioned it earlier, I stopped coming here because of duese and only after few bans and once the rule about name calling started to be enforced this became a lot nicer place. Not saying there weren't RB fans behaving in similar matter but none comes to mind. Even over last couple of pages there are several posts about Horner which are just childish and there's no need for them. I'm not even RB fan and when I see posts like that I don't even want to get involved in topic

Mesai said:
Obviously not all fans are the same, and it's pretty common for the vocal/insane minority to shed a bad light on the quieter majority, but the only way to reply to Scam is to match his insanity.
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this, each team has fans who can't behave
 
I'm always amazed how people get so tetchy over sport.
And a sport they watch. Most people have probably never driven a true sports car even. Yet make f1 thier lives. I just don't understand you can be so emotionally invested in something you watch/consume rather than do.

The characters people love/hate don't even know you. You don't know them. Yet people throw death threats around? It's concerning.
 
Aside from that. I'm looking forward to. Seeing leclerc and Hamilton. I'm genuinely not sure who will come out on top. It's hard to know if Hamilton was as good as he was.
Will this be his toughest opponent since alonso?

Shame RBR doesn't have an opponent to test him. But I guess RBR have other issues at the moment!
 
I'm never amazed by that. It's sport and sport can evoke some crazy feelings out of us. If a team/person I follow has a bad result sometimes it can really throw my day off. When we lost the Euros final to Italy I remember feeling gutted for 2 or 3 days. Sport just has the ability to do that to us.

Sadly, some people get far too emotional to the point they think it's acceptable to abuse sports people. It's fun to dislike the 'enemy' and it's par for the course to have a bit of laughter at their expense but there are lines that shouldn't be crossed.

In truth, the main source and culprit of all this toxicity is the anonymity of the internet. It's easy to talk smoky and be disrespectful to people when you know you're not going to face any consequences for what you say. If there was a very real risk of a fist coming through your screen and punching you in the jaw I bet people would be a whole lot more civil with each other.

I get passionate about sports (hell, you should see some of the novellas I write in the boxing thread) and I sometimes like to go on a bit of tirade but I'll always back it up with receipts and I never reply to anyone in a way that I wouldn't be happy to do in person. It says a lot about someone, to me anyway, when people online go out of their way to be argumentative and chuck insults around to someone they don't know for daring to have a different opinion.
 
To most on this forum, a Redbull hater instantly = Lewis/Merc lover. That's the issue. I support Lewis yes, always have done. I also support various other drivers and teams. I don't hate Redbull because I support Lewis. I hate Redbull because of reasons outlined multiple times over. I hated Seb when he was at Redbull but have warmed to him more since he drove elsewhere. I think that says a lot.

Stumble Bum said:
If you're going to stick the knife into Red Bull with your little hate post, don't get your knickers in a twist when others brings up something equally bad from a rival team. You like to dish it out and then moan when it's about you're beloved Lewis.

It's the off topic motorsport thread, no-one said the discussion has to be exclusively about Red Bull.
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You've missed the point unfortunately, or chose to ignore it. Yes it's the motorsport off topic thread, but every time anything negative/controversial happens to do with Redbull or Max, look who gets talked about instantly and brought into the conversation. Lewis and Merc. It's pathetic. What on earth do they have to do with Horner's antics?
 
413x said:
I'm always amazed how people get so tetchy over sport.
And a sport they watch. Most people have probably never driven a true sports car even. Yet make f1 thier lives. I just don't understand you can be so emotionally invested in something you watch/consume rather than do.

The characters people love/hate don't even know you. You don't know them. Yet people throw death threats around? It's concerning.
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People do crazy things. Like that football fan who got sent down recently didn't he? He was holding up pictures of one of the club's mascots mocking him. He was a cancer victim I think. :(

What I dislike is the passive attempt at linking Lewis Hamilton fans as all being on the same crazy level. Like yeah, I send Horner and Max death threats when they lose for real.
 
jaybee said:
hated Seb when he was at Redbull but have warmed to him more since he drove elsewhere. I think that says a lot.
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Yeah, I almost said the same. I dislike Max at the moment but I'm sure that stems from him driving for Red Bull more so than himself (questionable driving aside). Because even when Seb was racing for Ferrari and a genuine threat to the title for Lewis I still enjoyed watching him race and win in red. Other than the Baku and Canada incidents.
 
jaybee said:
To most on this forum, a Redbull hater instantly = Lewis/Merc lover. That's the issue. I support Lewis yes, always have done. I also support various other drivers and teams. I don't hate Redbull because I support Lewis. I hate Redbull because of reasons outlined multiple times over. I hated Seb when he was at Redbull but have warmed to him more since he drove elsewhere. I think that says a lot.



You've missed the point unfortunately, or chose to ignore it. Yes it's the motorsport off topic thread, but every time anything negative/controversial happens to do with Redbull or Max, look who gets talked about instantly and brought into the conversation. Lewis and Merc. It's pathetic. What on earth do they have to do with Horner's antics?
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You're the one going off on Red Bull cheating, and some sort of 'treatment' of drivers AND fans, AND teams AND F1 etc etc. What were you expecting, a pat on the back and no retorts about other teams' antics?

People are bring up the likes of Merc/Hamilton so you can get some perspective. The point I think most are trying to get through to you is that all teams in F1 seem to get up to some sort of antics and all teams have their idiot fans. To only want to talk about Red Bull in this regard and to place all of the blame on one individual, Horner, is rather naive of you.

You just used the Horner situation of which we know very little details yet as an excuse to just lay into the whole of Red Bull.
 
It's hard not to respect what RBR do on track. Off track? I'll just say they're not my cup of tea.
Mr Jack said:
I find the need some feel to divide every issue along tribal lines rather tiresome.
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I grew out of that when I was in school and I realised being a fanboy of a specific games console was a waste of time and gaming was much more enjoyable when you appreciate all the platforms.

Same for sports. It's good to have a team you follow but when you start getting jaded to the point that everything is 'us vs them' then you need to take a step back
 
All the mentions of 'toxicity' - I don't see anything harmful or poisonous. Some of you could probably do with laying off the popular US speak.

Like others here, I also don't get the tribal nature of F1. It's just not important in either the grand scheme or minor scheme of things.
 
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Mr Jack said:
Being passionate about it is kind of the point of sport; but that doesn't excuse the ugliness.

I'm not a great fan of Horner, Red Bull, or Max; but I have absolute respect for their talent and what they have achieved. I find the need some feel to divide every issue along tribal lines rather tiresome.
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Well put, fortunately it's only a minority though and we can all enjoy a passionate and adult debate sometimes...
 
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