Motorsport Off Topic Thread

bayo000 said:
Do you guys have nothing better to do? The hearing is tomorrow, just wait till we have more information.
I kinda wish there was a ban on media reporting on allegations until after the internal investigations are finished or unless one side decides to go public and make a statement earlier.
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Quite, the hypocritical media will hang you on the merest whim. Like some in here...
 
Scam said:
Surely it's also quite telling that reports say he was asked to step down voluntarily. That means there's probably enough to get rid of him, but they don't want to sack him because it reflects worse on the organisation. What they probably wanted him to do was the old "I have decided to step down from my role to concentrate on my family at this time" and everyone can get on with their lives. But Horner being Horner, clearly doesn't want to do that. So they've got to weigh up whether or not they can get through this with him in place, probably tempted by his success, or it's best for the brand to get rid and move on.

You don't advise your TP to step down for nothing. Especially one at the "top" of their game.
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Not really, you can be asked if you wish to step down voluntarily whilst awaiting any investigation, without prejudice..
 
My understanding regarding Horner was that there is undeniable evidence. Whether that is photos, recordings, emails, texts or what is quite unknown, but the fact they've brought in an external barrister in suggests things are about to get very squirmy for Mr Horner. With an external party unrelated to him, not in awe of him and never having worked with him or been subservient to him as a boss it's going to be difficult to charm his way out or rely on the backing of Marko or Mateschitz as he's done previously. I'm loving it.
 
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MissChief said:
The rumours suggest he was advised to go down this route but dug his heels in. (Sorry to quote, I'm on my phone and it's a nightmare to edit and quote)
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If that was asked then it would be to avoid a mire of negative activity from the hypocritical pen(s) of the media associating the RedBull name with any unprofessional behaviour.
As is illustrated by certain individuals in here...
 
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MissChief said:
My understanding regarding Horner was that there is undeniable evidence. Whether that is photos, recordings, emails, texts or what is quite unknown, but the fact they've brought in an external barrister in suggests things are about to get very squirmy for Mr Horner. With an external party unrelated to him, not in awe of him and never having worked with him or been subservient to him as a boss it's going to be difficult to charm his way out or rely on the backing of Marko or Mateschitz as he's done previously. I'm loving it.
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I think you'll find that a barrister was called in to show impartial transparency.
The rest you've mention is currently guesswork from certain media...

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cuke2u said:
I think you'll find that a barrister was called in to show impartial transparency.
The rest you've mention is currently guesswork from certain media...

Apologies for my separated replies...
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That too. It also shows how serious RB central are taking the allegations and potentially how serious they are too.
 
MissChief said:
That too. It also shows how serious RB central are taking the allegations and potentially how serious they are too.
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At that level it's not surprising and maybe there could be an element of RB Austria attempting to manoeuvre Horner into falling on his sword. No doubt he will have his own legal representatives present as well, if permitted....
 
Mr Jack said:
People who are thinking this will be the last we see of Horner are, I think, mistaken. Remember Flavio made his way back onto the grid after getting his driver to crash in order to rig the race.
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This is true, but that was in the Bernie era. I can't see anything like that happening again with Liberty - especially not following #MeToo.
 
GravyMonster said:
This is true, but that was in the Bernie era. I can't see anything like that happening again with Liberty - especially not following #MeToo.
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Mazepin literally groped a woman on camera and posted himself doing it because he thought it was funny, and Haas brushed that under the carpet. There was a lot of money in that, sure, but Horner is not poor himself and has an incredible range of connections within the sport.
 
Mr Jack said:
People who are thinking this will be the last we see of Horner are, I think, mistaken. Remember Flavio made his way back onto the grid after getting his driver to crash in order to rig the race.

Perhaps reports are off and Horner is guilty of far worse than has been suggested so far, but I think - based on reports, and if true, etc. - it's more likely he'll be gone for a few years before making a return.
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Flavio was smart enough to take his case to an actual court of law rather the Micky mouse FIA circus. A real court overturned the ban, finding that there were conflicts of interest, lack of separation of powers, and Mosley's bias against Flavio.
 
cuke2u said:
If that was asked then it would be to avoid a mire of negative activity from the hypocritical pen(s) of the media associating the RedBull name with any unprofessional behaviour.
As is illustrated by certain individuals in here...
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Doubtful, he will have being asked to resign (assuming this is true) as the evidence is substantial and RB want to avoid a messy investigation and presumably wanted to avoid being seen sacking a loyal servant of 20 years.

It’s common practice in business even more so in high profile roles. I wonder how much the comprise payment was when offered.
 
Mr Jack said:
Mazepin literally groped a woman on camera and posted himself doing it because he thought it was funny, and Haas brushed that under the carpet. There was a lot of money in that, sure, but Horner is not poor himself and has an incredible range of connections within the sport.
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Quite, but then not subject to a complaint and wasn't something that took place within the Haas staff. Inexcusable behaviour though and it's a questionable for Haas who then still took him up as a driver.
Money does talk as you say.
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
Doubtful, he will have being asked to resign (assuming this is true) as the evidence is substantial and RB want to avoid a messy investigation and presumably wanted to avoid being seen sacking a loyal servant of 20 years.

It’s common practice in business even more so in high profile roles. I wonder how much the comprise payment was when offered.
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Is there actually any substantial evidence?
 
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