Motorsport Off Topic Thread

cuke2u said:
Clearly your colours are firmly nailed to the mast, disturbing as they are, and what seems to be an obsession...
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I'm not going to pretend I don't dislike Horner and RB, obviously. You're bringing it on yourself though; every time you try to defend him by attempting to smear Mercedes, or Lewis fans, just makes us reply more.

I'll say it again, nobody who seems happy that Horner is on his way out is saying anything that's remotely untrue in this thread. If you want to defend him and RB, then you have to stand by and accept the facts like - for example - Horner cheated on his pregnant wife with GH. Or Jos Verstappen has a history of violence against women. Or Marko is a racist. Deal with it. Those are the people you're allying with, accept the consequences.
 
We don't know these people personally. We, mostly, only get to see them through a lens on TV or their words on paper.

Unfortunately for Horner we are only able to judge him based on things we know about him. Maybe behind closed doors he is holier-than-thou (casting aside the whole ex-wife thing) but we can only judge him on what he and RB put out into the world

And based on that, the guy is *****.

Though, I say all of that to say this; As much as I dislike the guy/RB and I am having a bit of a laugh at the thought of Horner sending his little todger around both he and the person making the allegation deserve the process to be looked at fairly and have a conclusion that is just.

He shouldn't have to step down due to the media if he is indeed innocent and cleared of any wrong doing but if he is guilty then he obviously deserves the punishment that fits the 'crime'.

I'm all for him getting the boot innocent or guilty. He runs a slick machine over at RBR and anything to destabilise them, go right ahead. :p
 
Junglist said:
Though, I say all of that to say this; As much as I dislike the guy/RB and I am having a bit of a laugh at the thought of Horner sending his little todger around both he and the person making the allegation deserve the process to be looked at fairly and have a conclusion that is just.
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This made me choke on my water! Bravo Bravo :cry:
 
Scam said:
I'm not going to pretend I don't dislike Horner and RB, obviously. You're bringing it on yourself though; every time you try to defend him by attempting to smear Mercedes, or Lewis fans, just makes us reply more.

I'll say it again, nobody who seems happy that Horner is on his way out is saying anything that's remotely untrue in this thread. If you want to defend him and RB, then you have to stand by and accept the facts like - for example - Horner cheated on his pregnant wife with GH. Or Jos Verstappen has a history of violence against women. Or Marko is a racist. Deal with it. Those are the people you're allying with, accept the consequences.
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Yeah it is shining like a light you have taken a personal dislike of Horner and have this personal vendetta against anything he does, states, maybe you don't even like him taking a pee :cry:.
What he did in the past has nothing to do with you and nothing to do with what the 'accusation' currently is about, as far what we know as facts.

Perhaps this dislike from you is because he's just done a fine job at RB?

And what the hell has Jos got to do with Horner anyway, 2 + 2 making 5, he's tolerated by Horner at races because he's Max's father, so every bit entitled to be there.
As I've stated, RB is not the team I support and neither is Horner my favourite cup of tea, but your stance is judgemental, abhorrent, hypocritical to many people with views that should have no mouthpiece in any forum.
What's the word someone used previously, ah yes Trumpian.
Deal with it..
 
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Ok let's dissect that shall we. I'm on hold with my insurer sooo..

cuke2u said:
What he did in the past has nothing to do with you and nothing to do with what the 'accusation' currently is about
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Nonsense. His past incident has everything to do with what he's allegedly accused of. Man treats wife terribly years ago, fast forward to 2024, man is accused of treating woman in the workplace terribly. If you can't see a connection there then I'm afraid you've got a screw loose.
cuke2u said:
Perhaps this dislike from you is because he's just done a fine job at RB?
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It's because he's done a fine job in the wrong way. From his reaction to AD '21, to the cost-cap breach (see: "draconian" :rolleyes: ) etc. His unsporting attitude absolutely stinks.
cuke2u said:
And what the hell has Jos has this got to do with Horner anyway
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Because it's indicative of the team and how it is being led. And Horner is leading from the front. As many people on here have said, who the heck would work for those 3 as the most senior/visible people in your organisation. It's embarrassing.
cuke2u said:
but your stance is judgemental, abhorrent, hypocritical to many people with views that should have no mouthpiece in any forum.
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Judgemental, yep. Of course. Abhorrent? Hardly, you're saying my dislike of Horner really inspires disgust in you? Really? And hypocritical, hardly. If Toto or another TP was accused of similar incidents and I were to defend them then yes.. but until that day I'm simply voicing my opinion on a thoroughly unpleasant man.
cuke2u said:
What's the word someone used previously, ah yes Trumpian.
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Trumpian was a valid description of RB-defenders coming up with alternative facts, and playing the victim when trying to deflect reasonable connections about a man's previous behaviour as per my first point. It doesn't really work to describe the side of the argument when one is simply laying out the publicly-known historical misdemeanours of the accused...

I still don't understand why you're so valiantly defending Horner here...
 
Mr Jack said:
That seems an unusual definition of "absurd and crazy speculations, plus wild accusations". Surely there's a huge area between substantiated fact and "absurd and crazy speculation"? Otherwise, you're saying it's completely unreasonable to discuss anything about which the facts aren't certain.
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Speculation, etc. obviously has the potential to include facts, but some people love to state their wild theories as fact without any knowledge of the situation. Most of it stems from wild hate boners (I don't need to mention names).

Unbiased discussion is healthy.
 
Ryan-3 said:
That was the original plan but they opted for the NASCAR race instead after learning about the cost and needing to sign up for 10 years. It isn't happening.
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"F1 applied for variations of the trademark “Formula 1 Chicago Grand Prix” and “Grand Prix Chicago” on Jan. 19, according to U.S. patent office records"
chicago.suntimes.com

Formula One in Chicago? Series applies for race trademarks

The international racing series has filed trademarks that indicate it could be planning a Chicago grand prix less than a year after NASCAR held its first street race in Grant Park.
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Why did they apply for the trademark 3 weeks ago then? You could argue it is for protective measures but they didn't apply for any other major city trademarks like the 'LA GP' etc, so why have they gone for protective measures specifically for the Chicago GP? Presumably because despite the obstacles they still consider it an option.

The NASCAR race was a great success and win for the city so perhaps that's increased the chances of an F1 race being held there.
 
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MissChief said:
Generally in situations like this the 'accused' (and I use this lightly) is sent away so as not to try and talk people round or ask people to defend him/her and banned from contacting anyone.
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Guilty until proven innocent then?

If there is obvious evidence of wrongdoing then people often find themselves suspended, the fact this hasn't happened is intriguing. You can't just get people suspended based on accusations. There has to be evidence of wrongdoing.

Again, we have no facts so calling for him to be suspended is premature and speculative.
 
Stumble Bum said:
Guilty until proven innocent then?

If there is obvious evidence of wrongdoing then people often find themselves suspended, the fact this hasn't happened is intriguing. You can't just get people suspended based on accusations. There has to be evidence of wrongdoing.

Again, we have no facts so calling for him to be suspended is premature and speculative.
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Well he is under investigation, that’s a fact we know, we can deduce that they have a reason to investigate or do you think it was by random selection?

I think he probably is suspended, there is no other way of doing things.
 
Slam62 said:
Well he is under investigation, that’s a fact we know, we can deduce that they have a reason to investigate or do you think it was by random selection?
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I'm sure there is likely some substance to it for Red Bull to be taking it this seriously, but all sorts of rumours have been coming out. Best to just wait for the facts instead of speculating wild theories.
 
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