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More information being revealed here - https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull-rb20-bib-adjustment-device-no-punishment-explained
I think there is no evidence to prove that RB exploited this during parc ferme conditions.
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I think there is no evidence to prove that RB exploited this during parc ferme conditions.
I have a hard time believing they went to making it then didn't use it, but also agree its very hard to prove.
Caporegime
If the reports are correct it's not even really usable in the way claimed. Yes, it's positioned in the cockpit, but its not actually accessible in the assembled car in a way that would let them do anything. If that's true, I suspect it was just a matter of packaging rather than any attempt to dodge the rules.
When do they start talking about Verstappen's appendix as a potential route to a Norris win?
Someone got caught short while visiting did they?...and the Ferrari with the number 2 on the nose.
Silly comments aside, very glad to have F1 back this weekend. Timing isn't too bad either but we'll see how the free to air coverage falls... Really need to get on the phone and haggle with Sky for an alright price again.
Also thanks for the comments on the exhibition, it was on my radar but it has reminded me I owe my wife an anniversary present. Who says it can't be something for me too.
Don
Fanboyism aside
If you make the rules so clear cut that there's no room for different interpretation, then you may as well make it a 1 make spec series
Obviously they use it - presumably a fixed setup weighs less but then also limits your options. Doesn't mean they're cheating though.
Ride height is pretty critical to the cars balance so being able to easily configure that throughout practice is a smart way of doing things vs another team which might have to spend hours replacing several parts.
What?...this one is clear cut, was completely illegal. They didnt even fight any part of it.
Its "fanboyism" for pointing stuff out lol?
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Caporegime
It wasn't illegal. What would be illegal is modifying the setting in Parc fermé; but there's no evidence they did that - and, in fact, the best information we have says that it would have been impossible for them to have done so.
Impossible to turn a screw a few turns? I've not seen the amount of packaging that needs to be removed to get to said adjustment, but surely the whole point in this setup, is to gain a benefit from the way other teams do it from underneath. i.e. For it to be quicker and easier to adjust?
Not possible for the driver.
Impossible given that you need to take the car apart to do so, which would have been pretty hard to hide from other teams and the FIA.
Well the actual words spoken by a senior team representative says autosport, were:
"Yes it exists although it is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run."
That could mean once the driver sits down they can't access it frankly. It doesn't give any indication as to the actual complexity of accessing the adjustment. It could be very easy in reality.
"Yes it exists although it is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run."
That could mean once the driver sits down they can't access it frankly. It doesn't give any indication as to the actual complexity of accessing the adjustment. It could be very easy in reality.
Very interesting but that's again what Redbull say is required? In reality, perhaps it is easier than made out.
Anyway...
Why has all this suddenly come to light? What was the trigger? Why did Redbull decide now to tell the FIA they use this? Is it because something leaked and they thought they would give full details before it became reported incorrectly and a saga? (seems already to be)
Don
It wasn't illegal, hence why they were completely open with it on technical drawings that were provided (and I believe other teams had access to) and where it was discovered.
No, it's fanboyism for the constant herp derp Red Bull got away without punishment accusations, when there was nothing technically to be punished for.
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Soldato
All this talk about the item!! RB havent been doing so well this year have they!?....if that item aided them then they wouldn't be having such a difficult time!!!
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Eh? The detail is apparently all there in the docs they have to disclose to the FIA, if they've modified it to make it look like it's harder to access/adjust in parc ferme then the FIA just go back a few versions and see that surely?
? Redbull (well with their competent driver Max) still largely dominated pace the first half of the season. The point is that they could have had this device in place from the start of the ground effect era. Imagine that they abused the use of it under parc ferme for the last few seasons. That's why it has the attention.
If Redbull suddenly drop off this weekend and for the rest of the season, that would be potentially damning!
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Soldato
Just because a team isn't at the front of the grid doesn't mean that certain features of their car aren't good ideas or aren't adding performance. Just that the overall car has flaws. I can think of multiple times that backmarker teams have had great bits of design 'appropriated' by other teams.