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Mr Jack said:
It means that, if there was any possibility of abuse, it would have been detected - because that's what these documents are for and the teams all study them closely. The idea that some shady thing has been going on for "potentially years" is a complete invention. The reality is that there is no a single shred of evidence of any wrong-doing on Red Bull's part here.
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They could have been adjusting the ride height during parc ferme for potentially years yes. Why is that not possible? Documenting the adjustment system does not stop them from performing parc ferme breaches if they had wanted to in the past. That they have provided openly all documentation for how it works, does nothing more than provide the FIA with evidence of compliance, and going forward the FIA are going to ensure seals are placed over the adjustment screw to prevent tampering, even if they wanted to. They still could have been abusing this for years. If you want to call that invention then yes. It's a possibility is all I'm saying.
 
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jaybee said:
They could have been adjusting the ride height during parc ferme for potentially years yes. Why is that not possible? Documenting the adjustment system does not stop them from performing parc ferme breaches if they had wanted to in the past. That they have provided openly all documentation for how it works, does nothing more than provide the FIA with evidence of compliance, and going forward the FIA are going to ensure seals are placed over the adjustment screw to prevent tampering, even if they wanted to. They still could have been abusing this for years. If you want to call that invention then yes. It's a possibility is all I'm saying.
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By the same score: every other team could have been adjusting the ride height during parc ferme for years. Their means to do it was also documented, just a little harder.

Don't get me wrong I strongly dislike the Redbull team, but I do think in this instance there isn't really a story.
 
Absolutely, it's just that Redbull have had a system that facilitates quicker and easier adjustment which could have been more open to abuse. That's all we're saying. It would never be proven even if they had abused it. So yeah. Should probably move on. I'm more annoyed that we'll have to listen to Horner for half a year live on Sky about the whole thing ffs. ;)
 
jaybee said:
They could have been adjusting the ride height during parc ferme for potentially years yes. Why is that not possible? Documenting the adjustment system does not stop them from performing parc ferme breaches if they had wanted to in the past. That they have provided openly all documentation for how it works, does nothing more than provide the FIA with evidence of compliance, and going forward the FIA are going to ensure seals are placed over the adjustment screw to prevent tampering, even if they wanted to. They still could have been abusing this for years. If you want to call that invention then yes. It's a possibility is all I'm saying.
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This system of adjustment has been freely available to see by all the teams for around three years, apparently. Ask yourself why, with one on particular, are they saying it is a concern now?
As the FIA has stated, end of story.
 
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It's pretty clear that if it is accessible during parc ferme, then they could adjust it though, so sealing it makes sense, but that opens up why offer to seal something you 'can't access' it's just a very odd all around. Also for people asking why now - we'll you don't know what you don't know until you know it, and can then seek action against it. Just because something is available doesn't mean you have fully ingested all the details.
It's good that other teams keep the competitors on their toes within the rules, otherwise how would it be fair ever?
 
Armageus said:
Yep looks totally like something that they'd do without flagging suspicion under parc ferme or indeed a driver could do whilst in the cockpit according to some :D
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Even Brundle himself said those pictures are playing up for the cameras/FIA. They will be able to adjust it far more easily than they made out with that daft extension.
 
Redbull....an F1 team.... are really turning the screw with a Halfords socket set there using an extension on an extension on an extension? :cry:

I'm sure that's how they do it. Definitely didn't make a tool or another method to do it more efficiently. Nope.
 
Journey said:
but that opens up why offer to seal something you 'can't access' it's just a very odd all around.
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Well exactly. Why do they need to put seals on something if the rules are crystal clear on not touching the car in parc ferme. Clearly something has happened or RB have previously been doing something that we don’t know about.
 
Journey said:
It's pretty clear that if it is accessible during parc ferme, then they could adjust it though, so sealing it makes sense, but that opens up why offer to seal something you 'can't access' it's just a very odd all around. Also for people asking why now - we'll you don't know what you don't know until you know it, and can then seek action against it. Just because something is available doesn't mean you have fully ingested all the details.
It's good that other teams keep the competitors on their toes within the rules, otherwise how would it be fair ever?
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So are the front and rear anti rollbar's, in fact there are a host of easily components that are illegal to adjust under parc ferme conditions that have seals on them. Makes the life of scrutineers somewhat easier to have FIA installed seals so they can easily see if something has been tampered with and I expect in this case why the fia have done so is just to appease the other teams.
The only reason why other teams, Mclaren in particular, are pushing this now, despite it being known for years, is purely because of mind games.
 
cuke2u said:
The only reason why other teams, Mclaren in particular, are pushing this now, despite it being known for years, is purely because of mind games.
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Mclaren are also the only team to really push it in order to distract from the fact their own cars wing changes this weekend after very clear dodgy things going on with that.
 
cuke2u said:
So are the front and rear anti rollbar's, in fact there are a host of easily components that are illegal to adjust under parc ferme conditions that have seals on them. Makes the life of scrutineers somewhat easier to have FIA installed seals so they can easily see if something has been tampered with and I expect in this case why the fia have done so is just to appease the other teams.
The only reason why other teams, Mclaren in particular, are pushing this now, despite it being known for years, is purely because of mind games.
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Well if they didn't have seals then they could, and probably were altered. As you say minds games is a lot to do with it, and next week it will be RB or Merc complaining about something fishy on a Ferrari or whatever. The main issue I see with any adjustments are how unsporting it is to lie if you have done it, but then again we all know F1 is no longer a real sport, merely entertainment.
 
Journey said:
Well if they didn't have seals then they could, and probably were altered. As you say minds games is a lot to do with it, and next week it will be RB or Merc complaining about something fishy on a Ferrari or whatever. The main issue I see with any adjustments are how unsporting it is to lie if you have done it, but then again we all know F1 is no longer a real sport, merely entertainment.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough but not all components that are not permitted to be altered under parc ferme actually do have seals. The rear wing being just one example.
But F1 has scrutineers and the cars are under constant camera surveillance as well.
Fact is last year two cars were found to be running too close the the ground, thus causing excessive and more than the permitted amount of plank wear, none of them being Red Bull. I can only imagine the fuss that would have happened should it have been...
 
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cuke2u said:
Fact is last year two cars were found to be running too close the the ground, thus causing excessive and more than the permitted amount of plank wear, none of them being Red Bull.
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Well obviously it wouldn't be Red Bull, because they had the secret system to adjust the ride height to compensate for fuel loads between quali and race :p
 
cuke2u said:
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough but not all components that are not permitted to be altered under parc ferme actually do have seals. The rear wing being just one example.
But F1 has scrutineers and the cars are under constant camera surveillance as well.
Fact is last year two cars were found to be running too close the the ground, thus causing excessive and more than the permitted amount of plank wear, none of them being Red Bull. I can only imagine the fuss that would have happened should it have been...
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Those cars did get punished for that though. They didn’t get to make an agreement with the FIA to sort it out. Lol
 
Current race cementing the fact it is not sport when they change the rules for one driver, again, I sincerely hope they challenge that stupid decision, next time just have a crash instead, right? Both drivers off the track one gets punished makes total sense.

Looks like that RB are now going to end up 3rd with only an 8 point gap, due to Perez, I have no idea how much money he must be pulling in to keep his seat, more than Stroll for AM?
 
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