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Most teams do it to varying degrees at the end of a season. After the season end they've got just the wind tunnel and 150 km photographic / sponsorship day before testing in Barcelona. It really is their only opportunity to validate performance from the wind tunnel and simulation to on-track performance.

Plus they never bolt on all the aero from nose to tail - normally just components.
 
i dont know why they just don't stick with current rules. plenty of life left in this, i mean 2 manufacturers havet even hit the spot yet.
it would almost certainly be the cheapest option as well.
 
It's not far off the mark as it is, three different engines have all won multiple races this year. Yeah Merc are dominant but that's hardly their fault. Other teams need to develop more.
 
MooMoo444 said:
It's not far off the mark as it is, three different engines have all won multiple races this year. Yeah Merc are dominant but that's hardly their fault. Other teams need to develop more.
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I think we've got a bit lucky this season with the rule changes and having 3 competitive teams (now at least). This is why I'm quite excited for 2018 already. Hoping to have Merc, Ferrari, RB and McLaren all competing at the top. Renault and FI shouldn't be far behind either.

My only concern is that Merc determine their current setup has reached its performance limit and try switching to a high rake design. I like having different teams performing at different tracks.
 
deuse said:
"Ferrari president Sergio Marchionne has said the team could quit Formula 1 if they do not approve of the direction taken by new owners Liberty Media"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/41857101

I have to agree with Marchionne.
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Ferrari's main opposition is the threat of them losing their financial advantage in the sport, hence their faux mantra of leaving the sport.
 
When you threaten to do something every few years and keep doing it and never follow through with it, your threat becomes empty and baseless.

How many Ferrari fans do we see around the world every race? Thousands. How many will remain Ferrari fans if they're not in F1 any more? A few hundred. F1 definitely doesn't need Ferrari (despite what Ferrari think) but I'd say Ferrari need F1. The advertising they get 22 times a year, on prime time, free to air TV in some countries is worth billions a year.

I'm not surprised though. Ferrari cares about one thing and one thing only. Ferrari.
 
Shimmy said:
Ferrari's main opposition is the threat of them losing their financial advantage in the sport, hence their faux mantra of leaving the sport.
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If you read it, it mentions nothing about money but the power unit. That's why I agree with him. F1 will turn in to nascar.
 
deuse said:
If you read it, it mentions nothing about money but the power unit. That's why I agree with him. F1 will turn in to nascar.
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He's not referring to it directly, but it's fairly clear given the context of the Liberty media statement and Ferrari's history on this subject.

The teams and FIA will likely compromise on the engines.
 
let Ferrari go(not that they will anyway, its just threats they need f1 more than f1 needs them), I think the idea that they make f1 is massively overstated. Most people these day support drivers rather than teams.
 
Regarding engine proposal the FIA are in a bit of a bind. The existing manufacturers have spent hundreds of millions on their engines, much of which will be pointless with the new engine regs, which despite still being a 1.6L turbocharged V6 will be very different internally. It is, basically, a new engine. Which means even more development money for existing manufacturers. But if they stay as they are, no one new will come in. They take one look at what Honda have experienced and recoil in fear. A difficult situation.
 
It usually results in a threat of a breakaway series if it looks like the big boys might not get their own way.

One day a governing body will call their bluff, because no one would want to watch or sponsor an inferior sport that showcases technology foremost (admittedly F1 is this, but that's not why most watch it).

American single-seater racing is still recovering from their political cluster**** a couple of decades back, and it might be time to remind those involved in these discussions of that.
 
Ferrari walking away from F1 is always their opening gambit whenever there's a new Concorde agreement due to be signed in a few years. I hope liberty don't fold as easily as Bernie did. It's about time Ferrari's BS historical payment ended.
 
I agree with some of Marchionne's commentary but not the constant gun to the head threat. Ferrari could be absent from the grid next season and I wouldn't notice after a couple of races other than the commentators constantly banging on about it.
 
Well, if they're renegotiating to that extent (which would be both great and necessary) then all Liberty need to do is get Merc, Renault and Honda onside. Ferrari can go whistle. Another team can paint their car red in 2021 and it'll all be fine.
 
Yeah, 9 teams on the grid, 18 cars, less competition and less interest, not having Ferrari wouldn't make any difference at all next year. Reality check, F1 doesn't need Ferrari specifically, IE if they were replaced by a company willing to spend 300mil a year or more on their team then absolutely fine. I don't think the name Ferrari is at all important to the sport, it's like saying if utd got relegated the premier league would be over. It wouldn't but that is because football has a system where by Utd being relegated would mean a new team coming up in their place.

F1 can't cope with one less team basically at all, let alone a big team. If anything what F1 desperately needs right now is a payment structure in which, a more even share of money is gotten right now, but if 3 more teams came in they ALSO got money. One of the biggest issues to having more than 10 teams right now is the problems with very little money that teams below 10th get which is absurd frankly. You can't encourage more teams even of Sauber budget levels to come in, make a commitment of likely ~100mil or more to buy in when if they come and finish 11th they get utterly boned in terms of income. We've had two teams leave because they came out of the top 10 and simply couldn't afford to continue, so right now which smaller group of people who have enough money to consider funding a team and covering the gap between the team and sponsors for a few years till established when they know that they have the highest possible chance of finishing last and as such getting very very little income.

For me what they need to do is even up the money, take the extra money from some teams, have it set aside with a lets say 13 team payout setup but in the event of having less than 13 teams the absent teams money gets redistributed evenly to the other teams.

They need to do this with any potential change so that the money doesn't immediately change for most teams but in the event we get new entrants the Liberty don't have a huge struggle to take that money away from teams to give the new teams some cash for being involved.

9 teams right now would make F1 significantly worse regardless of which team folded/left, but if it was Ferrari it would be a bigger hit than any of the teams outside the big 4.
 
The_Abyss said:
Well, if they're renegotiating to that extent (which would be both great and necessary) then all Liberty need to do is get Merc, Renault and Honda onside. Ferrari can go whistle. Another team can paint their car red in 2021 and it'll all be fine.
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Merc, Renault have already said they don't like the new rules. Next Tuesday is the next meeting.
I wonder how many $ billions the teams have spent on these new units?
 
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