Motorsport Off Topic Thread

Mr Jack · Tuesday at 19:09

MissChief said:
He's also still 8 points short on his Superlicence so needs a good result from Indycar next season to stand a chance.

I'd forgotten that, mad that Indy gets less points than F2.

MissChief · Tuesday at 19:10

Mr Jack said:
I'd forgotten that, mad that Indy gets less points than F2.

The winner gets 40 points, enough for an immediate Superlicence which is the same as in F2, except the F2 2nd and 3rd places also get 40 points. The issue is the drop off after that.

40	40	40	30	20	10	8	6	4	3
40	30	20	10	8	6	4	3	2	1

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FIA Formula 2 Championship

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You can get more Superlicence points coming fourth or lower in F3 than in Indycar.

F3: Bespoke Mecachrome 6 cylinder 3.4 litre naturally aspirated 380 HP @ 8000 rpm
Indycar: DOHC 2.2-liter twin-turbo V6 developing an estimated 550–750HP depending on the level of boost used and no inter-cooling systems.

Armageus · Tuesday at 19:55

chrismscotland said:
Its Mario Andretti that's on the board of Cadillac; not Michael (who was causing most of the feather ruffling)

Ah ok, I missed that part

chrismscotland · 2024-11-27T17:30:42+0000

Monza extended to 2031

F1 news: Beloved track to STAY until 2031 as six-year extension announced

F1 has announced that a much-loved circuit will remain on the calendar until 2031 with a new six-year contract extension agreed.

www.planetf1.com

Steeps · 2024-11-27T17:53:42+0000

And how much will the ticket prices have to increase to cover this new deal?

MissChief · 2024-11-27T18:01:38+0000

Steeps said:
And how much will the ticket prices have to increase to cover this new deal?

If Liberty still follow the Bernie method the hosting fee increases by 10% every year. They might have scrapped that though. They have said they want to keep a core of classic tracks so might be working differently for some tracks.

Stu999 · 2024-11-27T18:44:35+0000

Steeps said:
And how much will the ticket prices have to increase to cover this new deal?

chrismscotland · 2024-11-28T12:15:42+0000

Mick Schumacher has "chosen" to leave his reserve role at Mercedes at the end of the year; I expect he'll be focusing on Alpine in WEC next year now instead; could potentially be Alpine's reserve I guess.
Bottas expected to replace him as Merc reserve.

Mr Jack · 2024-11-28T12:37:36+0000

FIA chaos continues: MBS sacks F2 race director before her first race, it is expected that emergency F1 stand-in race director, Rui Marques will have to do double duty this weekend.

Mr Jack · 2024-11-28T12:39:01+0000

chrismscotland said:
Mick Schumacher has "chosen" to leave his reserve role at Mercedes at the end of the year; I expect he'll be focusing on Alpine in WEC next year now instead; could potentially be Alpine's reserve I guess.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has chosen to leave. Realistically, there's no chance of him getting back on the grid now. Time has moved on. He's better off concentrating on a real career somewhere else than hanging around the Merc garage hoping someone gets sick.

cuke2u · 2024-11-28T13:38:23+0000

Mr Jack said:
FIA chaos continues: MBS sacks F2 race director before her first race, it is expected that emergency F1 stand-in race director, Rui Marques will have to do double duty this weekend.

Quite, it all seems to be imploding...

Mr Jack · 2024-11-28T13:46:08+0000

cuke2u said:
Quite, it all seems to be imploding...

Have to hope BSM gets ditched at the first opportunity, but there's a full year of this to go before then and no guarantee he won't be re-elected.

EddScott · 2024-11-28T13:47:03+0000

Do we know why the FIA is hiring and firing at such a rapid rate?

Is it all down to this BSM chap?

Mr Jack · 2024-11-28T13:51:39+0000

EddScott said:
Is it all down to this BSM chap?

That's what reports are saying. Some people have walked as well, also said to be because of him.

Some pretty damning stuff for BSM in Mayer's comments to the BBC. Seems like he's a petulant little tyrant, exactly the wrong sort of person for the role.

GravyMonster · 2024-11-28T15:11:50+0000

He said the reason for his dismissal as a steward was Ben Sulayem "took offence" at the contents of an appeal document filed by the Circuit of the Americas (Cota), host of the US Grand Prix in Austin, Texas.

Mayer represented the Austin organisers in a 'right of review' hearing into a decision to fine them 500,000 euros, with 350,000 euros of it suspended, after a track invasion at the end of the F1 race on 20 October.

Cota officials were "not best pleased" at the judgement, Mayer said. A similar situation at the Canadian Grand Prix this year led to a warning.

Sounds like MBS is bending to the whims of the race promoters, while the actual FIA delegates are trying to enforce the rules and make things run properly. Disgusting behaviour for firing people for doing their jobs.

I'm not sure what the process if for MBS to be ousted, but it cannot come quick enough.

Cota succeeded in having the language of the right of review verdict changed, removing a finding that organisers had "failed to take reasonable measures".

"In US legalese, that is synonymous with negligence, which is problematic for a US corporate body," Mayer said.

But... it was negligence.

cuke2u · 2024-11-28T16:55:38+0000

GravyMonster said:
Sounds like MBS is bending to the whims of the race promoters, while the actual FIA delegates are trying to enforce the rules and make things run properly. Disgusting behaviour for firing people for doing their jobs.

I'm not sure what the process if for MBS to be ousted, but it cannot come quick enough.

But... it was negligence.

And by firing with a text messages from his staff as well. It is not a good way to run any business let alone F1 and it is of not surprising that the drivers are becoming increasingly concerned about how they are being treated..

Mr Jack · 2024-11-28T17:11:31+0000

GravyMonster said:
But... it was negligence.

"Negligence" has a legal meaning beyond "we made mistakes", though. It implies not only that they got it wrong but they did so in a way that fell miles below what could be reasonably expected of them and it probably carries a level of liability, as well as impacting their insurance.

I'm not sure what the process if for MBS to be ousted, but it cannot come quick enough.

AFAICT, there isn't one. He sits for the rest of his term until December next year and then we get to see whether or not he wins another election.

cuke2u · 2024-11-28T18:01:49+0000

FIA running out of people to do jobs, says sacked steward - https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c4gzn7gvjzzo

MissChief · 2024-11-28T19:34:48+0000

cuke2u said:
And by firing with a text messages from his staff as well. It is not a good way to run any business let alone F1 and it is of not surprising that the drivers are becoming increasingly concerned about how they are being treated..

Shock as rich person doesn't like people who stands up to them and can fire them with impunity.

Alex Wurz was touted as a future FIA President recently, he'd do a great job IMO. And would let others do their jobs too.