Mourinho Sacked! Solskjær new interim manager
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I would love for Him to get the job permanently if we don't manage to get Pochettino. Sure he isn't a 'Big Name' Manager but we have already had two of those in Van Gaal and Maureen and that worked out great
You could counter that with Moyes though.
He is still a pretty big name though compared to Solskjaer, although not on the same scale as Van Gaal or Jose. Also Moyes took over straight after Fergie so there was added pressure I guess. I would just rather have someone like Ole who will put the Club/Fans before his Ego and won't throw his toys out of the pram every time we lose and blame everyone but himself.
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The bolded part I couldn't agree with more strongly. Neville has no clue what it's like to lose faith in his manager, or have a critical **** randomly crap on players for not performing or badmouthing them in the press. Their entire idea of being managed is from Fergie and they act like this could never happen under Fergie so it must be the whole squad acting like some particular player that caused trouble at Utd while Scholes/Neville/etc were at Utd and got rightly benched, then sold off because they were a trouble maker. They seem to just flat out assume that the whole squad is behaving like that as opposed to any chance a manager could be responsible for creating problems.
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Do you watch the Austrian league often?
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I've seen them play a few times and especially in the Europa league etc.
Last year they beat Dortmund and Lazio to get to the semi's...
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Setting up a team to beat a big opponent can be easy celtic beat Barca twice in their prime iirc. It's all down to the managers philosophy currently our manager doesn't change his tactics for any opponent it's the same every game so we have yet to beat a team who are better than us and lose to those weaker than us sometimes who set up to play us.
I've seen Salzburg play live in front of me. I didn't like their cheating tactics. one of them with not a player within 15 yards of him fell to the ground clutching his face it was off the ball and npvody was near him i think the nearest player was also a team mate. He stayed down for 2 mins then got up on 1 knee saw play was continuing and then quickly raced back to help.
I saw at least 3 similar incidents in the match. Players going down and over acting over nothing. This was when they realised the tide had turned in the game they were winning so time wasting.
Using cheap tactics like that isn't something I found impressive. When they play they play well. But I'm not convinced yet.
Why didn't they get through to champions league in past 2 seasons?
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The 'problem' at United is bigger than just Mourinho - he was/is not solely to blame for the poor performances.
He handed a list of defenders that he wanted to sign at the beginning of the season and Woodward signed none of them.....anybody with eyes can see that the defence is poor.
He tried to strengthen, they didn't act on his request.....they didn't back him with the investment.
Was that because 'they' thought that the defence was good enough.....or was it that the Glazers did not want to release the money?
The 'rumour' doing the rounds at the moment is that they are ready to sell the Club in the New Year, so didn't want to invest.
The preformances on the pitch have forced action, as the Club was devaluing by the day.
Did Mourinho deserve the sack? - yes
Does the blame sit squarely with him? - no
Some of the players need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror, I would move out a few of them as well (shameful behavior)
He handed a list of defenders that he wanted to sign at the beginning of the season and Woodward signed none of them.....anybody with eyes can see that the defence is poor.
He tried to strengthen, they didn't act on his request.....they didn't back him with the investment.
Was that because 'they' thought that the defence was good enough.....or was it that the Glazers did not want to release the money?
The 'rumour' doing the rounds at the moment is that they are ready to sell the Club in the New Year, so didn't want to invest.
The preformances on the pitch have forced action, as the Club was devaluing by the day.
Did Mourinho deserve the sack? - yes
Does the blame sit squarely with him? - no
Some of the players need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror, I would move out a few of them as well (shameful behavior)
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he's spent around 400m, he has a 55m midfielder that doesn't even make the bench sometimes. He cannot complain that he wasn't backed.
We tried to sign defenders, Boateng rejected us (thankfully) Godin didn't want to leave Atletico, Varane didn't want to leave. None of Jose's targets were realistic.
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If it's that easy how come Utd keep losing to teams big and small ?
Celtic are awful and got lucky despite being hammered.
Why didn't Salzburg make the champions league ? Because they got beaten in the qualifying round.
Why did they finish top of their group in the Europa this year? Ahead of Celtic, and Leipzig.
Played 6 won 6. They are also top of their league and have lost a league game this season.
Last season they arguably outplayed Marseille and only had 1 shot on target against - who h happened to go in in the 116th minute- otherwise they might have gone to the Europa league final.
Why haven't Molde, Celtic, etc gotten to the Europa semi final ?
There's clearly issues with the ownership and board at Utd but do you honestly believe the situation Mourinho faced in the summer would have been any different at any sensibly run club? How many signings has Mourinho made that you could class as genuine successes? Ibra, who was only ever going to be a short-term fix that would require replacing a year later and that's it. Mourinho's spent £70m on 2 CB's and still needs a CB, spent near £200m on central midfielders and the general consensus is Utd's midfield isn't up to it, signed Mihki & Sanchez (+ inherited Rashford, Martial & Mata) and still wanted a wide attacker, signed Ibra (the worlds most expensive bosman deal) and spent £75-90m on Lukaku and still need a striker*. Where do you draw a line and say enough is enough, you cannot keep blowing money and expect us to keep throwing more at you? Maybe had he not been so reckless with his spending to date then the club wouldn't have lost trust with him. Maybe had he not been asking to sign ageing and or overpriced players this summer the club would have been more willing to back him.
No sensibly run club is spending significant amounts on 28+ year olds these days because it's dead money yet Mourinho's pushing for Alderweireld and Willian who are likely to have cost £100m+ combined. Having seen your manager spend an absolute fortune on those two positions already, can you imagine the Utd boards reaction when they're now being asked to sign players for huge fees, that even if they're successful, you're going to have to replace in a couple of years anyway? At best you've spent huge money on a short-term solution, at worst you're getting lumbered with ageing players on huge contracts and Mourinho's asking for another £100m to replace them in 12 months.
*Mourinho's pet dog, Duncan Castles, wrote in the summer that Mourinho wanted to sign a CB, fullback, CM, wide player and another centre forward.
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I am not defending Mourinho in any way, he deserved the sack.
What I am saying, is that he was not the whole problem.
The issues there are much deeper, from 'owners' that use the Club as a 'cash cow', to Woodward who is their 'lap dog', to some over-hyped 'bigger than the Club' players.
It will take more than Ole and Pochettino to repair the damage, I feel it will be rinse/repeat until the owners have gone and there can be a whole shake-up from top to bottom.
Sad to see, but the demise was predicted by many in 2005.
What I am saying, is that he was not the whole problem.
The issues there are much deeper, from 'owners' that use the Club as a 'cash cow', to Woodward who is their 'lap dog', to some over-hyped 'bigger than the Club' players.
It will take more than Ole and Pochettino to repair the damage, I feel it will be rinse/repeat until the owners have gone and there can be a whole shake-up from top to bottom.
Sad to see, but the demise was predicted by many in 2005.
As much as they have treated Utd like that, they very much found their cheque book in the past few seasons. They know that Utd need to be successful (within reason) to protect their investment and they've spent fortunes and even done what I said clubs don't want to do in signing Matic and Sanchez.
The ownership issues at Utd can be separated from the Mourinho debate because he was very much backed financially, up until the point that he lost the boards trust. It would have been no different had it been any other owner.
The ownership issues at Utd can be separated from the Mourinho debate because he was very much backed financially, up until the point that he lost the boards trust. It would have been no different had it been any other owner.
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Because celtic have been in the champions league for the past 2 to 3 years.
I already explained our manager never changes his game plan regardless of the team.
Which doesn't work against better players.
Also celtic every year lose their best players:
Armstrong - Southampton
Dembele - Lyon
Before that
Virgil van dijk - best cb in the world to Southampton
Wanyama - Southampton
Forster - Southampton
Boyata will leave soon
If we played in the premiership there would be a new top 4 club.
Our total wage bill for the whole club is equal that of Alexis Sanchez.
The club may have spent 400m.....and sold £100m in the same time (funny you and everyone else doesn't mention that at all) ...but hardly any of them were JM's choice
a certain spurs defender was very realistic and he was wanted by JM but the club wouldn't sanction it
The club extended JM's contract and then pulled the rug from under his feet. Typical EW (just like wasting money on Fellaini ....twice....)
JM has been at fault for plenty - but so have the club and the owners
Factually incorrect - they chose commercial targets like Pogba and Sanchez , not what the manager actually wanted for football reasons (numerous other examples like Lindelof and probably Dalot as well)
The club backed themselves much more than they backed the manager over 3 summer windows.
Not even 100% sure Fred was JM's target
There is no rumour that has any weight behind it that the Glazers are preparing to sell. I sincerely hope they do, but I cant see it - the club is too much of a cash cow for them
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A lot of claims with no evidence there Frank, colour me surprised.
Please please please can someone point me at all these signings that Woodward made for the sake of Uniteds commercial appeal that the managers didn't want. Bailly? Lindelof? Fred? Lukaku? Dalot? Pogba? Sanchez? Matic?
Mourinho was very happy he got Sanchez from under Citys nose. Pogba is a top midfielder the manager wanted. All the others are nothings in commercial terms.
I'm astounded that people actually believe the crap that Mourinhos camp have been peddling about him not being supported and these not being his choices.
Mourinho made even our best players look **** and it wasn't just the system he used it was his whole management style. Its quite ridiculous that a manager that plays such a depressing and soul sucking style of football is also such a poor man manager and motivator of his players. If they don't enjoy the football they are playing then you better make damn sure they like playing for you as a manager.
Every facet of Mourinhos management of United was a mess. A 55 year old man baby who is completely unwilling to accept even the idea that an issue with the on field performances could be improved by adapting his management. All the best managers know how to treat different players. Some need tough love, some need an arm around them and others simply aren't good enough. One thing all the best managers do is protect their players. They are the manager, they set the team up, coach the team and motivate the team. If the team are poorly coached, poorly set-up and de-motivated then thats on the manager.
What do people think Mourinhos job actually was and what part of it did he do well?
Mourinho was very happy he got Sanchez from under Citys nose. Pogba is a top midfielder the manager wanted. All the others are nothings in commercial terms.
I'm astounded that people actually believe the crap that Mourinhos camp have been peddling about him not being supported and these not being his choices.
Mourinho made even our best players look **** and it wasn't just the system he used it was his whole management style. Its quite ridiculous that a manager that plays such a depressing and soul sucking style of football is also such a poor man manager and motivator of his players. If they don't enjoy the football they are playing then you better make damn sure they like playing for you as a manager.
Every facet of Mourinhos management of United was a mess. A 55 year old man baby who is completely unwilling to accept even the idea that an issue with the on field performances could be improved by adapting his management. All the best managers know how to treat different players. Some need tough love, some need an arm around them and others simply aren't good enough. One thing all the best managers do is protect their players. They are the manager, they set the team up, coach the team and motivate the team. If the team are poorly coached, poorly set-up and de-motivated then thats on the manager.
What do people think Mourinhos job actually was and what part of it did he do well?
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Lol. Have I been on the Christmas booze too much or did I just read that!
Celtic would be a mid table team if not at the bottom.
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