MP Jo Cox murdered in West Yorkshire [Thread title edited]

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Still amazes me how quick people are to affilliate other terrorist activities at the mere mention of the word "Allah hu Akbar" - yet refuse to believe it when the words "Britain First" are provided by multiple eye witnesses.

Anyways - for those who still think Mr Muir had nothing to do with Britain First - here you go - Photo has Dewsbury Town Hall in the background - would you look at that, guess who that is stood in the middle?

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Lemme guess - he was just passing and got caught in the moment arazi?

Maybe now might be a good time to come up with some phrases to describe the deniers
BF apologise-rs?
BF sympathisers? :p

But hey - I'm not gunna stoop to the levels of the known bigots here, jesting aside.

You have been asked a few times, what is the source of this image.
 
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Just because you think it doesn't make it reality



Well, it couldn't be me. And I would assume as the affiliate members of Britain First isn't that large, there aren't that many candidates...

I'm not saying it is, but don't you see your own bias? When you immediately call it a photo shop, then when it's shown to be on a legitimate website you come up with another flippant dismissal, can't you even acknowledge the possibility for discussion that this was a politically right wing motivated attack, just as abhorrent as a religiously motivated one? (Which you are happy to endlessly espouse about)

Yes of course it could be, i have never said it couldn't be and i don't think many have said it couldn't be.
 
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I'm just thinking about the guy that has done this. From the photo issued in the press, the one of him sitting on the bench, I would say that he 'doesn't look quite right' and that was the first thing that struck me when I saw him, by that I mean I think he may have a mental health issue. He's a long term volunteer so that puts him on benefits, most likely ESA or similar. He appears to be fully active and physically fit therefore it's quite possible that his need for benefits points to the fact that he does indeed have some kind of mental health issue. Now mix this with being brainwashed (easily led too perhaps) and we have the ingredients for something like this.

I am speculating of course, but I think it's a reasonable speculation (if there's such a thing) and what this gives us is more of what myself/Freakbro touched on (we didn't actually touch, honest!) earlier and makes it all very complicated with all sorts of possible theories, claims, defences, allegations, pleas, outcomes etc.

The thing is the usual clan in here won't have the above, i posted earlier in the thread that most likely everyone on this forum will live within 200 yards of a person who is just like this guy, before he murdered her.

They won't have it though even though you are probably correct in what you say.
 
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All areas have been hit but personal support especially in ones own home has been hammered. He may have been admitted at some point into a support unit and cuts may have seen him, as a low risk, be released.

We just don't know at the moment, it really could be anything.

The way this Gov\DWP assess and treats people is totally wrong, if you have no physical problems you are stuffed, benefits etc get cut, i have witnessed it first hand.

The DWP are a nightmare to deal with, if he was getting all the benefits he was entitled to then they will most likely have been cut dramatically, If they have been cut to what the ESA assessment rate is he will be living on approx £74 per week plus housing benefit and council tax benefit if that is needed, depends on your circumstances.

It is the same as if anyone's Dr signed them off work sick, for approximately the first 12 weeks your benefit is ESA assessment rate, approx £74 per week, after 12 weeks you then have to jump through hoop after hoop to get the benefits you are entitled to, you would probably even end up in court to fight for what you are entitled to because of them.
 
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There is more to this story. More will come out soon.

The shooter has mental health issues and is easily led. Particularity easily led by his brother. How "he" got hold of a gun will be key

All is not as it seems right now

I haven't read to the end of the thread yet, just catching up, but watch it, the usual will be on your back if you don't treat it how they see it.
 
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A terrorist is not simply someone who creates fear amongst the public. If that were the case every single news outlet would technically be a terrorist organisation.

If this man killed her for political reasons, then he killed her because he believed the act would cast fear and terror within politics, and is therefore a terrorist. A terrorist doesn't have to have something against the public for him to be a terrorist, where did you get that idea? No, his aim is not to cast terror to the public, it's to cast terror to politicians, IF of course it was politically motivated and not just a random slaughtering.

In fact the definition of terrorist is "a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.". It's got nothing to do with casting fear amongst the general public, that's the job of news outlets.


In fact you say "More and more this looks like an individual that was specifically targeted." but you conveniently forget the fact that this "specific" woman was a politician? Cognitive dissonance?


You keep associating that word with members on here, me, Dis86, who else, anyone without your opinion?
 
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The only thing we on the ahem "Right" are trying to disassociate ourselves with is the EU. The remain open borders, socialist 'left ' crowd in here have made their position clear that anyone voting leave is an uneducated, racist, xenophobic, fascist. So if you want to associate us with this murdering P.O.S. You go ahead. I'll take the ROP defense. I'm a moderate, nothing to do with me guvnor.

Yes, exactly this, same old posters to. Fully agree.
 
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Actually, I do wonder exactly that. But not in the context of mental health issues.

How many more people in these groups are of a similar mindset just not taking that final step to 'take their country back'?

How much influence the recent referendum campaigning has played in pushing him to do this?

Yes but i meant it as mental health issues, that's where a lot of issues then stem from.
 
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Does anyone else think that this time next week we will still be in the middle of some form of public disorders no matter what the result is?

Things are dirty and they are going to get worse over the next 5 days or so.
 
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