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remember folks being "sympathetic" or understanding someone being pushed over the edge does not equal agreeing with or condoning.

I believe many of you attacking orian for this made such statements in the "Muslims sympathise with Islamic terrorists" threads
 
Tefal said:
remember folks being "sympathetic" or understanding someone being pushed over the edge does not equal agreeing with or condoning.

I believe many of you attacking orian for this made such statements in the "Muslims sympathise with Islamic terrorists" threads
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Understanding and being sympathetic are two completely different things. That's how murder trials work, you find the motive and reasoning behind the perpetrators actions and charge them accordingly. Being sympathetic is literally saying he had a justified reason for murder, and not being a loony far-right white nationalist with ties to numerous far-right groups.

Your ignorance is astounding sometimes.
 
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TheMightyTen said:
We're still waiting for your source. I've not been able to find a single reference to this anywhere
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probably the comments section from the Express, which for anyone who hasn't read them are a disgrace. There is freedom of speech and then there is bile and the Epxress readers comments are just 1st order bile.
 
Orionaut said:
Well, Now it seems that the local authority was trying to edge him out of the home he had lived in since he was a child in favour, He beloved, (Rightly or wrongly) of a migrant family, and that his appeals to his MP (Jo Cox) had fallen on deaf ears.

It does put a rather more personal context on the case. (As opposed to one with wider political implications IE Brexit/remain) and One that a lot of people might have been rather more sympathetic about. and might therefore have been politically embarrassing if it was allowed to be made public in open court.

I am not surprised they wanted to keep him quiet. :/
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Thomas Mair never mentioned this motive to police or during the trial. Where has it come from?
 
wildman said:
probably the comments section from the Express, which for anyone who hasn't read them are a disgrace. There is freedom of speech and then there is bile and the Epxress readers comments are just 1st order bile.
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She was lawfully executed under Magna Garta for treason her vile anti British terrorism gerrymandering 6 million illegal passports for the labour party immigrant vote and supporting white helmet terror proxies in Syria. The judge is an anti British traitor who has broken his oath to the constitution and common law the true Sovereign power of this country not the Monarchical parliamentary 5 year junta who have nothing but sneering hate for the true sovereign power of this country and your birth right. It is the death penalty for treason by word or deed, you forfeit your right to a trial Magna Garta. Any English man can lawfully garrotte a traitor. Tommy Mair was found mentally fit to stand Trial. The jury and judge are complicite in an anti British kangaroo court a total mockery of justice. A vile act of treason. Tommy Mair is the finest patriot I have ever seen, he has committed no crime. She was pro Muslim pro terror against Britain. Rot in hell, death was too good for her.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/73...rendan-cox-murder-verdict-sentence-old-bailey
 
diamount said:
Understanding and being sympathetic are two completely different things. That's how murder trials work, you find the motive and reasoning behind the perpetrators actions and charge them accordingly. Being sympathetic is literally saying he had a justified reason for murder, and not being a loony far-right white nationalist with ties to numerous far-right groups.

Your ignorance is astounding sometimes.
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No its not thsts justificstion.

I csn be sympathetic to the feelings of a person who say bruttaly murders the the guy who molested his child without saying he shouldnt face punishment.

But please find ne a definition where "sympathise = justification" or even just to make it easier a definition whete sympathise = agree with
 
Mair is a racist neo-Nazi ***** is not an explanation.

Why was he a neo-Nazi? Why did he become so agitated towards Cox? Why did he, unlike so many other neo-Nazis, go from saying things to actually murdering someone?

Ah, no, the cheap answer that he was "mentally ill" doesn't answer this either. Depression is mental illness but millions of depressed people don't go out murdering.
 
Tefal said:
No its not thsts justificstion.

I csn be sympathetic to the feelings of a person who say bruttaly murders the the guy who molested his child without saying he shouldnt face punishment.

But please find ne a definition where "sympathise = justification" or even just to make it easier a definition whete sympathise = agree with
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https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sympathize

2. Agree with a sentiment, opinion, or ideology:
‘they sympathize with critiques of traditional theory
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Jeez some of those comments in the link are horrendous. Does make me wonder if I know anyone with that mentality as I was shocked at some of the things shared on my news feed on fb that I had no idea how some of my acquaintances felt
 
Only wanting to associate oneself with those of an identical ideology can make one very insular. Young people have to accept there are many who silently hold different opinions, and even vote privately to empower them without recourse to discussion on a public forum ;)

You don't know what your acquaintances are thinking, surely they aren't quite at the stage where their EVERY thought is publicly posted on some tacky social media site for scrutiny by the great unwashed? ;)

Some comments are a little strong, but that's just yet another facet of democracy at work, and freedom of speech and opinion.
 
I cant believe these Express comments are posted by adults. I remember a DM comment section that was not all that different from what we see here when she was murdered. These people are allowed to vote and contribute towards making big decisions that affect us all and are not insignificant in number.

I know i have the odd acquaintance who shares their view but does not make a sceptical of expressing it, likely that we all do.

Chris Wilson said:
Some comments are a little strong, but that's just yet another facet of democracy at work, and freedom of speech and opinion.
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Some comments are a little strong, many are absolutely horrid and would earn a perma on here.

As much as i am for democracy, the comments seem to be a great reminder of how nothing is ideal and we should never accept a ideology political or religious for the sake of it.
 
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