Soldato
Politicians being politicians, who'd have thought it?
MP Jo Cox murdered in West Yorkshire [Thread title edited]
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Politicians being politicians, who'd have thought it?
Soldato
Hold on a second guys, so is fine for her husband to use her death on the BBC today for pushing political views, but the rest of the world are condemned if they argue against it?
Seriously? Hypocrisy to all it's glory by quite a few in here.
Seriously? Hypocrisy to all it's glory by quite a few in here.
Well its her husband, its fine.
Caporegime
I think Brendan Cox is incredibly brave, agreeing to be interviewed and then managing to more or less hold it together through it. Her sister too, I thought, was very impressive in the eulogy she gave.
Soldato
Agree.
Difference between him and us, is that he knew her intimately and is the best person to know if his message is what she would have wanted.
Caporegime
Well this 78 year old chap got punched for handing out remain leaflets:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...for-handing-out-remain-leaflets-a7093386.html
Soldato
Well, we know it too since he said as much on the day she died. And again today.
So what's the difference?
Caporegime
Soldato
Difference is that you only know it now but people were making claims while she was still warm. I told you so is not the same if it was a lucky guess.
Caporegime
Precisely my point at the start of this thread.
Soldato
He did release the initial statement about fighting against the hatred when we were still on page 5 or 6. So it's been on-point for a while.
Soldato
Yes but people were literately making claims for both sides before her death was even announced.
That was too much
That was too much
Soldato
So you're happy that we're clear to politicise her [very much political] death now, but you're still picking problems from the three hours before her husband effectively okayed it.
Keep fighting the good fight, soldier.
Caporegime
Tory councillor, Dominic Peacock, posts FB comment to Jo Cox Memorial Fund that he just 'Donated the steam off my ****'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eacock-tory-councillor-facebook-conservative-****-post-deleted-a7093441.html
Classy....real classy.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eacock-tory-councillor-facebook-conservative-****-post-deleted-a7093441.html
Classy....real classy.....
Why do people think things like this influence only 'other people'? Im not influenced by this death at all and I am sure most people aren't. The media might seek to use it and talk about the huge influence this has had for the stay campaign, but they have strong agendas so it suits agendas and clicks onto websites.
Soldato
Polls and bookmakers have both seen shifts away from Leave since Thursday. That may or may not be due to Jo Cox, though I think that's probably a big part of it.
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Glad to hear the chap who intervened is on the mend now.
Hard to say. The momentum was there before Jo's death (my summary as a campaigner is in the speakers corner thread), and 80% of the polling internally for Remain was done prior to the news breaking, I believe. Other polls varied, but a lot of the work would have been also carried out prior to the suspension of the official campaigns and tributes from Jo's colleagues, family and friends and her final article being published. Whatever comes in at the last minute will naturally capture a bit more campaigning and the recent debate, so again, it would be hard to ascribe a large measurable shift solely to the heinous crime discussed in this thread, even if there was political motivation behind it. Indeed from what has been uncovered of Mair's past suggests his views go further back and much deeper than the referendum itself. Not much else to be said until the case concludes and he is sentenced.
It will however give pause to those who up till recently would've taken Farage's rhetoric, indeed Leave.EU/GO in general, and their antics as an unquestionable boon to the Leave argument/Conservatism in the UK. Which it isn't. Especially if the offender insists delivering an even more extreme version of it in court to bring attention to and rationalise his actions, as he seems to be doing now. The murder Mair committed is a shocking end to a promising political career, a blow to a loving family and a flagrant attack on our representative democracy.
I hope lessons are learned from this tragedy by all political parties and PR spinners, but I doubt it. Negative campaigning and its toxic effects are well and truly entrenched in British politics at the moment.
I can feel an emotional rant coming on, particularly after the general garbage that's been doing rounds on Twitter and FB, so I better leave it here. Let's remember and pay our respects to who Jo was and what she stood for as an MP and a human being trying to do her public duty to improve her community and country to the best of her ability; outside the zealotry of this referendum and the sickening, paranoid and hateful bile spouted by a few hyperactive trolls on social media, whatever their political affiliation.
Hard to say. The momentum was there before Jo's death (my summary as a campaigner is in the speakers corner thread), and 80% of the polling internally for Remain was done prior to the news breaking, I believe. Other polls varied, but a lot of the work would have been also carried out prior to the suspension of the official campaigns and tributes from Jo's colleagues, family and friends and her final article being published. Whatever comes in at the last minute will naturally capture a bit more campaigning and the recent debate, so again, it would be hard to ascribe a large measurable shift solely to the heinous crime discussed in this thread, even if there was political motivation behind it. Indeed from what has been uncovered of Mair's past suggests his views go further back and much deeper than the referendum itself. Not much else to be said until the case concludes and he is sentenced.
It will however give pause to those who up till recently would've taken Farage's rhetoric, indeed Leave.EU/GO in general, and their antics as an unquestionable boon to the Leave argument/Conservatism in the UK. Which it isn't. Especially if the offender insists delivering an even more extreme version of it in court to bring attention to and rationalise his actions, as he seems to be doing now. The murder Mair committed is a shocking end to a promising political career, a blow to a loving family and a flagrant attack on our representative democracy.
I hope lessons are learned from this tragedy by all political parties and PR spinners, but I doubt it. Negative campaigning and its toxic effects are well and truly entrenched in British politics at the moment.
I can feel an emotional rant coming on, particularly after the general garbage that's been doing rounds on Twitter and FB, so I better leave it here. Let's remember and pay our respects to who Jo was and what she stood for as an MP and a human being trying to do her public duty to improve her community and country to the best of her ability; outside the zealotry of this referendum and the sickening, paranoid and hateful bile spouted by a few hyperactive trolls on social media, whatever their political affiliation.
I don't think any of the polls are representative. We will stay in and I suspect by a fair margin too. People talk a good game in the UK, but come the box ticking will bottle it. My view.
Caporegime
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