MP Jo Cox murdered in West Yorkshire [Thread title edited]

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:29

Dis86 said:
So can you admit you have a bias towards the victim?
Don't make your points based upon unfolding evidence. Wait until you have it all to hand. You're calling people out who have formed their opinions based on incomplete evidence yet you're doing exactly the same thing.

Do I have a bias to the victim? In murder cases I generally bias to the victim.
In the case of Jo Cox from what little I know of her work, she was a stunning individual of real worth to the Labour party.

No I've called out people for being blatantly wrong and then failing to adjust their opinion or moving onto other unlikely scenarios.

I'll make my points on what I choose, if you have one where I have been proven wrong, feel free to post it and I'll revise my opinion accordingly.

Arazi · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:31

stewski said:
Are you suggesting something specific is wrong that I have stated, do tell.

It was aimed at your lack of evidence or facts on the rubbish that you are usually posting on here, past, present, future.

Arazi · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:34

B&W said:
From the guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...as-mair-told-police-he-was-political-activist

"Mair is alleged to have said “Britain first”, “this is for Britain”, “Britain always comes first” and “keep Britain independent” as he attacked the MP, prosecutors said."

If the prosecutors are saying this, then I guess they are fairly confident he said something.

Since when did alleged multiple quotes become multiple witnesses.

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:37

Arazi said:
It was aimed at your lack of evidence or facts on the rubbish that you are usually posting on here, past, present, future.

See a post like that is just posturing, but has no weight. Make a specific claim or talk drivel, the choice is yours.

Arazi · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:37

stewski said:
I'd imagine the police will be interviewing them as it is a priority line of enquiry. Though unsurprisingly I don't have inside knowledge of the witnesses at the scene, just what has been reported. Are you still doubting right wing connections at this point?

Erm no, like i have said before and on numerous times but people like you and asim18 seem to forget (mental health issues?), look at the top of page 9, here i will make it simple for you,

Arazi said:
Mentally ill guy with very right wing views imo.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18735801&page=9

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:40

Arazi said:
Erm no, like i have said before and on numerous times but people like you and asim18 seem to forget (mental health issues?), look at the top of page 9, here i will make it simple for you,

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18735801&page=9

What makes you suggest I have "forgotten" the potential for mental health issues?

Dis86 · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:43

stewski said:
What makes you suggest I have "forgotten" the potential for mental health issues?

The fact that your focus has been on his possible right wing views?

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:44

Arazi said:
I'm getting there.

Get there quicker, because at your level of discussion it is no loss to me.

Arazi · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:46

stewski said:
What makes you suggest I have "forgotten" the potential for mental health issues?

I think you need to rethink what i meant.

And do you still hold the view that i said he wasn't a right wing nutter?

You seem to have conveniently skipped that i posted proof above to show that you keep lying, page 9? The top post.

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 14:54

Dis86 said:
The fact that your focus has been on his possible right wing views?

A very generalist statement but I'll address that.
When I first posted on this thread I described him as a right wing nut job.

I have since had numerous people suggest there is/was no evidence to support this, though there clearly was/is. From a range of news sources.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...suspect-west-yorkshire-police-far-right-links

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ht-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...murder-provides-compelling-account-death.html

As for his mental health, whilst I suspect anyone capable of killing a standing MP in the the name of right wing politics, of having serious mental health issues, the sources are less well known. The police enquiry will I'm sure turn up a great deal more on this.

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 15:17

Arazi said:
To conveniently avoid an answer to the question i posted above, do you think people don't see straight through you.

I said he is a right wing nutter with mental health issues within the first ten pages, like i said, i have proved you wrong again.

I'll make one last post to you, seeing as you're desperate for attention.

You disputed it was a politically motivated attack by quoting my post with a giant no on this page, second from bottom.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18735801&page=18

We agree he's a right wing nut job, but you have consistently pushed back at those that claim it is politically motivated.

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 15:51

Arazi said:
Yes i agree i highlighted your "No" in your post, now can you show me where i have consistently said it is not a political attack?

So how does it go from 1 "no" to me consistently saying it was not a political attack?

You and a few others make it up as you go along, i am beginning to think you and at least 3 other posters are the same poster.

Are you inconsistent on that point?

Arazi · 19 Jun 2016 at 15:57

I am asking you to prove i have consistently said it is not politically motivated.

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 16:01

Arazi said:
I am asking you to prove i have consistently said it is not politically motivated.

Either
a) You now accept it is a politically motivated attack and your earlier response to me was in error.

b) You continue to suggest it is not a politically motivated attack.

c) NVM Im running to my saaaaafe spaaaace

Dis86 · 19 Jun 2016 at 16:03

stewski said:
Either
a) You now accept it is a politically motivated attack and your earlier response to me was in error.

b) You continue to suggest it is not a politically motivated attack.

c) NVM Im running to my saaaaafe spaaaace

or d) we await the courts judgement/our own on full presentation of all evidence?

Tunney · 19 Jun 2016 at 16:03

Farage is now blaming criticism of UKIP's latest poster on Jo Cox's murder, despite criticism starting hours earlier.

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 16:12

Dis86 said:
or d) we await the courts judgement/our own on full presentation of all evidence?

True he may have changed his opinion from earlier and now can no longer say if the killing of a standing MP by someone who named themselves as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" and is alleged to have shouted something like "Britain First" as he killed her as politically motivated.

Dis86 · 19 Jun 2016 at 16:13

stewski said:
True he may have changed his opinion from earlier and now can no longer say the killing of a standing MP by someone who named themselves as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" and is alleged to have shouted something like "Britain First" as he killed her as politically motivated.

Or he may be revealed as being not of sound mind?

stewski · 19 Jun 2016 at 16:15

Dis86 said:
Or he may be revealed as being not of sound mind?

Quite possibly, would that negate any political agenda?

Arazi · 19 Jun 2016 at 16:16

stewski said:
Either
a) You now accept it is a politically motivated attack and your earlier response to me was in error.

b) You continue to suggest it is not a politically motivated attack.

c) NVM Im running to my saaaaafe spaaaace

Ah politics. I don't need a safe place.

C = I repeated a post i earlier posted.

A = I have accepted it is a possible politically motivated attack, my response to you was before it become more widely known that it could be politically motivated. That is why i have not repeated it since, but you claim that i consistently did, you have been proved wrong again.