My first 'racist' thread

Dirtydog & DMP,

With reference to people claiming that Muslims should take particular care to stand up against extremism, to be particularly vocal and clear in their condemnation, is the onus not upon white nationalists and BNP members therefore, to stand up against racist violence such as that witnessed by [TW]Fox?
 
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phykell said:
Dirtydog & DMP,

With reference to people claiming that Muslims should take particular care to stand up against extremism, to be particularly vocal and clear in their condemnation, is the onus not upon white nationalists and BNP members therefore, to stand up against racist violence such as that witnessed by [TW]Fox?
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I'm not sure what to say to that. I will say though, that I do not support random acts of violence or aggression against non-whites - even if some of my WN ilk do. I don't hate people for being non-white or foreign; I just don't want my country overrun by them.
 
dirtydog said:
I'm not sure what to say to that. I will say though, that I do not support random acts of violence or aggression against non-whites - even if some of my WN ilk do. I don't hate people for being non-white or foreign; I just don't want my country overrun by them.
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I think to gain some credibility and help lose the racist image, the BNP needs to, in a very public fashion, condemn racist attacks such as the one mentioned and others too. Of course, that's not something the more extreme organisation that is the white nationalists would ever do is it? Again, to gain any credibility they should be just as outraged by violence against non-whites unless violence against non-whites is just that bit more acceptable. Is that the case?
 
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churned said:
Am I the only one who could smell propaganda from the original post?

Those women must have been pretty intoxicated to consistently and openly **** the poor guy off...
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Not so, they could have been chaved up kappa slappers :D
 
phykell said:
I think to gain some credibility and help lose the racist image, the BNP needs to, in a very public fashion, condemn racist attacks such as the one mentioned and others too. Of course, that's not something the more extreme organisation that is the white nationalists would ever do is it? Again, to gain any credibility they should be just as outraged by violence against non-whites or is violence against non-whites just that bit more acceptable to white nationalists?
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I'm sure they have condemned such attacks. I do believe that Griffin is trying to make the party more moderate and palatable to people. As for your latter point, while I do not condone violence against non-whites in this country just because they are non-white, I do understand the frustration which can lead to it happening.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Then a skinhead guy walks in and starts mouthing off at him about how he's gonna knock him out....
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This isnt directed at you mate, but just as a note, skin head culture isnt like this and that bloke sounds like a tool. :(
 
leaskovski said:
This isnt directed at you mate, but just as a note, skin head culture isnt like this and that bloke sounds like a tool. :(
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he does sound like a tool, but i do think that skin head culture is indeed like that. Albeit not always as descrimatory in their targets.

yob culture isnt going away. unfortunately groups like the BNP seem to support this culture. its not British and doesnt deserve to be part of the great british way of life.
 
Nickg said:
he does sound like a tool, but i do think that skin head culture is indeed like that. Albeit not always as descrimatory in their targets.

yob culture isnt going away. unfortunately groups like the BNP seem to support this culture. its not British and doesnt deserve to be part of the great british way of life.
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Ironic that you say the BNP aren't British, yet you presumably consider Muslims and other immigrants to be welcome. I could say that you aren't British.
 
Nickg said:
he does sound like a tool, but i do think that skin head culture is indeed like that. Albeit not always as descrimatory in their targets.

yob culture isnt going away. unfortunately groups like the BNP seem to support this culture. its not British and doesnt deserve to be part of the great british way of life.
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2nd google link on "skinhead culture" - libcom.org said:
Most people’s reaction to the word ‘skinhead’ is not a good one. As a cultural group, skinheads have been seen as stupid, violent, racists. No one here is going to deny that a lot of skins have been involved in far-right groups or held racist views, but the origins of skinhead culture were much more linked to multi-racial working class unity than any kind of white pride b.....
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I suppose it all comes down to personal beliefs
 
dirtydog said:
Ironic that you say the BNP aren't British, yet you presumably consider Muslims and other immigrants to be welcome. I could say that you aren't British.
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the irony is that you want britain for british yet you support groups whose actions are not aligned with british heritage and culture. and certainly not a culture i would like to see in the british future.

why do you feel the need to isloate certain groups when referring to immigration in that particular example? it is this divisiveness which stops any kind of social interaction and integration within our society - yet when you consider our past of intergration of new religions, churches and people into our culture you will see that we are moving away from this into a time of intollerance, of personal greed.

you could infact say anything you wanted, but again you could well be wrong in your assessment.
 
Nickg said:
the irony is that you want britain for british yet you support groups whose actions are not aligned with british heritage and culture. and certainly not a culture i would like to see in the british future.

why do you feel the need to isloate certain groups when referring to immigration in that particular example? it is this divisiveness which stops any kind of social interaction and integration within our society - yet when you consider our past of intergration of new religions, churches and people into our culture you will see that we are moving away from this into a time of intollerance, of personal greed.

you could infact say anything you wanted, but again you could well be wrong in your assessment.
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I don't isolate them. They isolate themselves. They choose to live in their own areas; they choose not to consider themselves British; they choose to retain their own religion, customs, culture, language.
 
The views of the lady labour voters in the OP sound spot on to me. I've worked in factories in Stoke for thirty years and its my experience that older conservative and labour voters have much more extreme views than the BNP supporters. Just remember that labour and conservative used to be very racist in the old days and many older voters still think that way. Also don't forget that the majority of people who vote don't exactly know what they vote for. Some vote labour because they always have, some will vote conservative for a change and others will vote BNP because they'll stop the Poles coming in.
 
dirtydog said:
I don't isolate them. They isolate themselves. They choose to live in their own areas; they choose not to consider themselves British; they choose to retain their own religion, customs, culture, language.
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i could name several other groups in the UK who do the same. you isolated them in your post quite clearly by naming them separately.

ill ask you again in a less guarded manner, do you support, promote, or actively protest against "yob culture" within the UK?
 
dirtydog said:
I don't isolate them. They isolate themselves. They choose to live in their own areas; they choose not to consider themselves British; they choose to retain their own religion, customs, culture, language.
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But you also encourage such "isolationism" don't you by the belief that miscegenation is wrong in principle? In other words, on the one hand you say you want them to integrate and on the other you say that they shouldn't produce any children with whites. Apart from that, you don't mean integration anyway because that would imply the possiblity of both parties assimilaiting each other's custom. What you actually want is for immigrants' culture to be completely replaced by British culture. Perhaps that's ideal but it isn't realistic I'm afraid.
 
dmpoole said:
It may well surprise some posters on here but this is my very first thread devoted to racism although I do contribute to all the others.


Yesterday I went to a birthday party and from about 5pm we're all outside and we get onto politics. Obviously immigration/muslims becomes the main topic and 4 of the blokes admit to voting BNP.
This disgusts 3 women who have a go at them for their beliefs and they admit to voting Labour.
At around 7pm a workmate of the birthday girl turned up. He was a Pakistani who was born here and of course everybody went quiet.
He quickly mixed in and within minutes the blokes had got the measure of him - he was one of us.
He loved his beer, football, women and even though he was bought up a Muslim he hated religion and what it had done to the world.
One hour later I had to leave for a gig but returned at 1am to chaos.

These 3 Labour voting women had given this poor Pakistani bloke a right racist grilling about all his mates coming here, taking our English jobs and bombing us etc.
The 4 BNP blokes were busy defending him and at around 1:15 he'd had enough of the 3 racist Labour women and I took him home.
Unbelievable.
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No offence but that all seems very cliched.

If i didnt know better (maybe i dont lol) i would say you just made all that up :)
 
phykell said:
But you also encourage such "isolationism" don't you by the belief that miscegenation is wrong in principle? In other words, on the one hand you say you want them to integrate and on the other you say that they shouldn't produce any children with whites.
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What I say is that they *should* integrate. Not that I 'want' them to; what I 'want' is for them not to have come here in the first place. But since they are here and most probably are staying, then they should integrate.

Apart from that, you don't mean integration anyway because that would imply the possiblity of both parties assimilaiting each other's custom. What you actually want is for immigrants' culture to be completely replaced by British culture. Perhaps that's ideal but it isn't realistic I'm afraid.
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I agree. They should become like us, but as you say it is unlikely to happen which is why it would really be better that they just didn't come in the first place.
 
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