My new Dell 2405FPW - pictures & first impressions

Don't give up yet...

I have had mine 3-4months now, at first the ghosting was horrible and I couldn't stand it in FPS. But after all this time I don't even notice it unless I'm looking. It's as if my eyes know its there and are compensating for it :) Q4 is v. cool on this screen!
 
I dno - I am/was a big Q3 player (just dont get the time nowadays) and moved from a very decent VM Pro 451 to this while I still played a lot (considering I was on an old system it was the only game I could attempt to play competitively).

Now the ghosting and motion blur were readily apparent when I made the move (tested mainly looking at the DX cube), the motion blur annoyingly still is, as I do try and scroll through web pages/documents trying to skim read - tis an art trying to make it fast enough without garbling the text. I have learnt to live with it and accept it as a flaw with TFT tech...

IMO with a game like Q3, which is arguably the fastest type of game in its genre, especially when you play it with low visual settings to maximise FPS, I have noticed both issues, but I have to be honest that both havent really affected my skills that much and over time ghosting just isnt apparent even on space maps with their high contrast. I probably do miss more long range rails/snapshots than I used to, but its hard for me to blame my equipment rather than me being out of practise (misjudgement of ping/weapon delay, velocity and direction of target relative to me...) and I doubt the visual acuity and representation of the game on this monitor could solely be at fault...

I havent played COD myself so I dno how different it would be to Q3 on this monitor or indeed between a CRT and a LCD - but I think thats part of my point, without having the benchmark of how COD runs on a CRT it gets more difficult to distinguish the apparent disadvantages such games show on TFTs. The first new game I played on this monitor was Far Cry (after a systems overhaul) and I still was able to slightly notice the ghosting/motion blur (nothing like Q3 to me anyway), but as Ive not played it on a CRT so Ive subconsciously accepted that what I saw is what I should see and it hasnt affected my enjoyment of the game - I had probably more trouble with my new mouse and getting used to that than the monitor for sure.

I think most user reviews Ive read have been fair and valid - without being an experienced monitor expert its sometimes hard to be impartial and also write something that encompasses every possible facet for this monitor - theres always something useful to gleam...

Do I think you wont get ghosting/motion blur on other TFTs? - Yes you definitely will since AFAIK its an inherent deficiency with TFT technology, just matters how good panels get in reducing it and subjectively on the particular individual themselves. Would I go back to my old CRT? - Never in a million years - though if it was a 24" Widescreen :eek:, then thats an interesting question :p...

As you said this monitor is a different kettle of fish than your previous one and like me youll have to get used to widescreen and the difference in how your POV is represented, inherent issues with TFT tech like motion blur and ghosting, changes in sensitivity due to larger desktop size and so forth. Remember you have moved to something thats a lot different to what you had before, its like riding a bicycle then hopping onto a motorbike expecting to be proficient straight off the bat...

I think Im a hardcore FPS gamer (when I have the time) – its definitely not an ideal monitor for such a game given the above and the money you need to drive this monitor to acceptable frame rates, but I think its a very competent compromise…

As always Ive rambled just a bit too long there was a point somewhere in this post - if you find it please tell me ;)

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Ive been thinking of getting this TFT, but I am not to sure as i play q2,q3 and q4 soon, with people going on about this ghosting. Is it really easy to get used to or should i spend 600quid on somthing else ?
 
Well I've just played through the whole of "Call of Duty" and I didn't notice any ghosting (or I've gotten used to it after only two days). Thoroughly pleased I made the purchase.
 
If you're going from another TFT you probably wont notice any ghosting, or if you do it'll be minimal. Mate has a Hitachi 'original' 16ms (XMLsmt? the first 'decent' TFT that everyone got) and he didn't notice any ghosting on the Dell.
 
I would have gotten one if it wasnt a dell.. unless you can scrape off the logo ;)
 
EVH said:
I would have gotten one if it wasnt a dell.. unless you can scrape off the logo ;)

LOL. It's not Dell who make the actual panel. Just think of it as a "rebadged" whoever-makes-it TFT.

One thing I'm wondering about - how will this screen do the component 1080i signal from the Xbox 360? Will it deinterlace the signal? Will there be any blurring of sorts?
 
Think it's a Samsung panel.

Wouldn't have thought the screen would deinterlace the 1080i signal, though it will stretch the 720p one to fit, which looks quite good =)
 
On the subject of the Xbox 360, which cable will be the best to use, the component or VGA ones? The expensive pack which everyone seems to be buying (as have I) comes with the component one. Is it worth getting the VGA one?
 
Yeah, I know it's a rebadged Samsung but the dell logo makes me want to puke up uncontrollably and smash my head on a wall until it goes away lol
 
Zarniwoop said:
On the subject of the Xbox 360, which cable will be the best to use, the component or VGA ones? The expensive pack which everyone seems to be buying (as have I) comes with the component one. Is it worth getting the VGA one?

No-one seems to know at this point what resolutions will be available with the VGA cable. I would imagine it would cover everything up to 1920x1080 interlaced though. The Guide itself should run that high but the games will likely be scaled up from 720p.
 
I've now had two of these screens and I think they're very good for gaming, Very responsive after using a 12 ms panel (2005fpw). I didn't notice motion blur as I did on the smaller model, however I found colour rendition especially in the browns not to be quite as good along with shallower viewing angles.

People talk about ghosting, I can only think they mean the afterglow effect, which is more apparent at low colour temperatures, and hardly noticeable.

Great monitor for the price. I tried My new 7800 gtx extreme edition on one of these and it certainly is an amazing gaming experiance.

After much thought, I'm gonna stick with my 2005fpw for now as I let my dad have the 2405fpw (a graphic designer he Has an apple G5 and he is so pleased with the display & price) especially in comparison of price to the apple display. He was using a mitsubushi diamond pro 2020 u, which is now mine. :)

For someone who wants colour reproduction as good as the 2005fpw, viewing angles as good as the 2005fpw but the responsiveness and blending to blacks (no backlight issues) like my crt, well there just isn't anything out yet to meet my criteria, yet.

PS. Motionblur and ghosting doesn't hinder one's performance as a gamer as much as people will have you beleive. I play a lot of hL2 from 12 ms of the tft to the 120 hrz @ 1152 x 865 of my mitsubushi, its all sweet once your eyes have adjusted and your focused on the game.

NERV|LaRZ
 
Right then chaps and chappesses,

got mine last week as posted and finally got it up and running this weekend.
Managed to get the power lead for it and while I was there, got a whole PC to build to pot!!! LOL....

First and probably lasting impressions.....

What can I say? It is absolutely beautiful to look at and sooo easy to set up it's a dream.

Image (7800GTX) looks sweet as a peach for normal use and running half-life 2 at 1600x1200, although scaled to full screen, still looks absolutely amazing.

I had a iiyama 450 Pro before this monitor but have been used to a 15.4" laptop screen for most of the time. "ghosting" to me obviously wasn't apparent as I am probably used to it. Can't say I see any noticable "trailing" of the mouse or excessive blur that would detract from gaming (although I'm not a fast fps person at present).

Personally I would recommend this monitor to anyone that can justify paying the (comparably quite reasonable) price and you won't regret it.

To summise, as you've probably gathered, I am totally chuffed with it.
 
Going to order one of these as well I think. I'll be using it for gaming mainly and although some have stated its not a gaming monitor, everyone's personal experiences seem very different on this monitor so I'm hoping that as I have used a TFT for ages, my experience will be good.
 
hi, i will be getting one in a couple of weeks i hope. i have a couple of question

can someone explaint ehr esizing options on the 2405fpw? what if for exmaple i select 1024*768 or 1280*1024...will i get black bars on top or sides? or the pic wil get resized to the full tft screen?

what other resolutions besides the native 1920*1200 look good in games like cod, cod2, q4, doom3, far cry, fear (by good i mean no resizing :p)

running a 7800 gtx ee if it matters

thanks
 
They all look "good" in 800x600 stretched imho but at 1600x1200 on HL2 it looks amazing and I personally can't tell that it's been scaled (on 7800gtx). Framerate would probably be better at next step down and still looks amazing, like I said, imho.
 
Heya RED555, you really wanna put it on widescreen 16:10 at 1920 x 1200 that way it won't have to stretch, it just looks gorgeous. Half life 2 scales very nicely with varying hardware. If you've got a 7800 gtx and the 2405 I'd suggest

1920 x1200 AA x2 AA x8 Transparent anti aliasing on supersampling.

V-sync enabled !

Runs like a dream. :)
 
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