My Rally Project

mr tommo · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:29

What is this road rallying all about?
Is it private roads so speeding is permitted?
And do you take part hoping to win money, or do you just take part, with no intentions to make money from it?

The reason im asking is a year ago me and a friend wanted to guy a 205 with the intension of racing the car. But as we have a limited knowledge of "how things work" we also saw it as a chance to get to know more about the mechancial side of cars.

tom

btw... great work lopez

-Mike- · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:31

mk1_salami said:
Lopez I'm looking to buy a 205 GTI very soon, but for road use - not rallying. I've got a feeling they might be unreliable, is this the case - compared to say .... the same age Golf GTI? Also what other things do you look for when buying one?

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They have two buyers guides on this site mate, hope they are of some use to you.

Lopéz · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:36

burns said:
Looking good. it's only 2 weeks since I trahsed the 309 and decided to go to navigating and I'm already looking at chevettes on ebay. It's addictive this rallying thing.

What are standard 205 bumpers like? As you'll have to loose the spots anyway for the 4 forward facing beam rule, is there anything to gain in a standard bumper? On the 309 it's harder to catch the standard one on verges.

Ooh, I'd love a Chevette in a couple of years - when I've got the Pug thing out of my system that (or a Lada Riva) will be my next car.

The standard 205 valance is shallower than the GTi valance but it mings hard, so I won't be swapping

I'll just remove or cover the existing spots so I can use Super Oscars.

Lopéz · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:39

mr tommo said:
What is this road rallying all about?
Is it private roads so speeding is permitted?
And do you take part hoping to win money, or do you just take part, with no intentions to make money from it?

The reason im asking is a year ago me and a friend wanted to guy a 205 with the intension of racing the car. But as we have a limited knowledge of "how things work" we also saw it as a chance to get to know more about the mechancial side of cars.

tom

btw... great work lopez

The roads are public, therefore the usual rules of the roads apply, including the speed limit. However, most events don't start until very late at night so the backroads are very quiet.

You take part for trophies and the fun of it, not money.

Don't read into the "no speeding" thing too much, the going certainly gets a little er....frenzied.

mr tommo · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:48

So no money goes to the winners? Just thought that it might be a big incentive thats all.

Is it true that if you complete the course too quickly by driving over the speed limit, then you get penalised? im struggling to understand this atm.

thanks

tom

Dale V · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:55

Looking good Lopez.

whats the legallity regarding those bonnet pins being used on the road? they look a bit sharp. :S

Confused · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:55

JBeck did a good post in this thread (here) on the basics of road rallying

Oh, and have 5 stars

Lopéz · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:56

mr tommo said:
So no money goes to the winners? Just thought that it might be a big incentive thats all.

The entry fees cover the time put in by the club, the MSA permit, the paperwork, map printing, the trophies and all that palaver.
This is grass roots motorsport mate, there is no money. It's the same as trials, motorcross, sprints, hillclimbs....... most amateur motorsport has no big cash prize.

Is it true that if you complete the course too quickly by driving over the speed limit, then you get penalised? im struggling to understand this atm.

thanks

tom

You don't have to drive over the speed limit to complete the course too quickly. Think about it.

Lopéz · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:57

Dale V said:
Looking good Lopez.

whats the legallity regarding those bonnet pins being used on the road? they look a but sharp. :S

No idea and nor do I care

Never heard of them being a problem though.

Dale V · 1 Nov 2005 at 14:58

lol fairy nuff

Enfield · 1 Nov 2005 at 16:05

Looking great, Lopez!

Is it the camera flash or is the nearside headlight a bit dull? Speaking of headlights, do you know how to make them brighter? I've heard some theories about connecting the wiring up to a live feed from the battery...?

Lopéz · 1 Nov 2005 at 16:22

EnFieLd said:
Looking great, Lopez!

Is it the camera flash or is the nearside headlight a bit dull? Speaking of headlights, do you know how to make them brighter? I've heard some theories about connecting the wiring up to a live feed from the battery...?

It's dull. I've got two brand new ones on order coming this week. 205 lamps are terrible for fading - and new ones are only about £18 each so it's a worthwhile investment if you drive fast at night.

As for making them brighter, you can relay the headlamps, add 120/80 bulbs, or go the route some have and cut back the wiring to the loom and totally redo it with good quality stuff.

Enfield · 1 Nov 2005 at 16:32

Lopéz said:
It's dull. I've got two brand new ones on order coming this week. 205 lamps are terrible for fading - and new ones are only about £18 each so it's a worthwhile investment if you drive fast at night.

As for making them brighter, you can relay the headlamps, add 120/80 bulbs, or go the route some have and cut back the wiring to the loom and totally redo it with good quality stuff.

£18?! Where the devil from, please tell me!

I've got some 100/80w Sportz Ring Blue bulbs in at the moment with some 100w H3 spot light bulbs in, it's awesome on full beam but on dips it's still not all that great, especially when it's raining at night. I do a lot of night driving too.

Do you have any more information about the wiring and all that mate, like a guide somewhere?

Thanks!

Lopéz · 1 Nov 2005 at 16:47

EnFieLd said:
£18?! Where the devil from, please tell me!

I've got some 100/80w Sportz Ring Blue bulbs in at the moment with some 100w H3 spot light bulbs in, it's awesome on full beam but on dips it's still not all that great, especially when it's raining at night. I do a lot of night driving too.

Do you have any more information about the wiring and all that mate, like a guide somewhere?

Thanks!

Headlights are from Euro Car Parts (often out of stock) so use www.parts4peugeot.com as an alternative - they have a huge stock range.

With regards to the wiring, I'm sure there are a few threads about it on the 205 GTi drivers forum.
Speaking of which, I'm sure one of the Golf tuning pages had an article on this - BINGO - ignore the fact that it's a Golf, the principal is the same for most cars.

If and when I actually get around to doing mine (I'll be relaying them at the very least) I'll do a guide with some basic wiring diagrams.

jonneh · 2 Nov 2005 at 21:10

me to!

looking good lopez,

U got a real bargin there.
i have also bought myself a 205 as a rally project.
although mine is only a 1.4 GT as im 18 and no one will insure me on a GTi.
im only after road rallying to begin with so its gonna stay pretty much standard apart from ripping out anything unnecessary.
they are very cheep cars, this one cost me £165 with 12 months MOT
will try get a pic soon.

Lopéz · 2 Nov 2005 at 22:58

jonneh said:
looking good lopez,
U got a real bargin there.
i have also bought myself a 205 as a rally project.
although mine is only a 1.4 GT as im 18 and no one will insure me on a GTi.
im only after road rallying to begin with so its gonna stay pretty much standard apart from ripping out anything unnecessary.
they are very cheep cars, this one cost me £165 with 12 months MOT
will try get a pic soon.

Read the Blue Book carefully (Section K) because this tells you what you can rip out and what you can't. Be careful! I've heard many a tale of enthusiastic people tearing out back seats, door cards and so on and turning up only to fail scrutineering.

The GT is a 5 door version of the XS isn't it? They go well, my mates bird used to have one and it didn't half rev.

Dogbreath · 3 Nov 2005 at 00:23

Lopéz said:
The GT is a 5 door version of the XS isn't it? They go well, my mates bird used to have one and it didn't half rev.

Yep, friend of mine had one that he used to do 12 cars and autotests in, until the gearbox expired and the rest of the car was so grotty it wasn't worth fixing. He's now got a £200 1.6 GTi in pretty good condition, except it judders really badly on part throttle. Looking around the net the AFM is blamed for this, but his checks out fine. I'm suspecting partialy blocked injectors as upping part throttle fuel rail pressure by removing the vacuum pipe from the regulator seems to help. Not too much of a problem as he has an Mi16 waiting to be fitted (though his 20XE powered Mk2 Escort is also needing attenton).

Lopéz · 3 Nov 2005 at 00:36

Dogbreath said:
Yep, friend of mine had one that he used to do 12 cars and autotests in, until the gearbox expired and the rest of the car was so grotty it wasn't worth fixing. He's now got a £200 1.6 GTi in pretty good condition, except it judders really badly on part throttle. Looking around the net the AFM is blamed for this, but his checks out fine. I'm suspecting partialy blocked injectors as upping part throttle fuel rail pressure by removing the vacuum pipe from the regulator seems to help. Not too much of a problem as he has an Mi16 waiting to be fitted (though his 20XE powered Mk2 Escort is also needing attenton).

This one does it too - proper kangarooing, and so did the last 1.6 I drove. My old one never did it so I'll try swapping the AFM as this *tends* to be the cause - and an AFM which tests fine may not give the same driveability as another, seemingly identical unit. Same seems to be true of the ECU's, lots seem to rev limit at various different levels. All fun and games!

Part throttle is for homos anyway so tell him not to worry about it

Enfield · 3 Nov 2005 at 11:06

Lopéz said:
The GT is a 5 door version of the XS isn't it? They go well, my mates bird used to have one and it didn't half rev.

It is indeed. I have one

But it's the single point fuel injection version though and it has a catalytic converter, it goes fairly well. 0-60 in just under 11 seconds or so, have had just over 115Mph out of it with more 800rpm more to go (6800Rpm rev limiter).

Jonneh, is yours the carb version or fuel injection? If it's the injection, take the air trunking off of the throttle body and clean the little wire/metal thingy attached to the side of the injector - that'll stop it kangerooing.

Dogbreath · 3 Nov 2005 at 14:04

Lopéz said:
Part throttle is for homos anyway so tell him not to worry about it

LOL, he said much the same thing, but it does make it a nightmare to drive in traffic. Hopefully I'll be helping to fit his dads newly built Mi16 engine into his fully prepped 205 this weekend. Will take a few pics if it happens.