Poll: National service not a bad thing?

Would twelve months National Service benefit our society and culture?

  • Yes

    Votes: 293 57.3%

  • No

    Votes: 218 42.7%
  • Total voters
    511
waspy88 said:
the knowledge economy we live in will mean that only the very tech savvy will win. Maybe that scares some..
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Yet at some point things break, etc. it is for me the most condemning aspect of today's generation in that I see generation on generation an increasing proportion of them have less and less ability to cope when things don't work.

I actually feel somewhat blessed in that I overlap the older more practical generations and the newer more tech familiar generations and also a couple of generations ahead of mine in terms of tech ability.
 
Ayahuasca said:
It would benefit those who do very little about their own situation massively imo, having a routine and discipline alone will do those people wonders.
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There's already been 6 month long "work for your benefits in the community" type programmes and iirc studies have said that it's actually more of a hinderance (and massively more costly) in terms of finding people work. I think they've been scrapped now.

If we're talking about disciplining unruly youths then I don't think it will work like it used to, the hard cases will just tell the sergeants or whoever to **** off and/or go AWOL and they won't be able to do anything as a form of punishment because it breaches their human rights. It's like banning parents from smacking children on the bum.
 
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Rroff said:
Yet at some point things break, etc. it is for me the most condemning aspect of today's generation in that I see generation on generation an increasing proportion of them have less and less ability to cope when things don't work.

I actually feel somewhat blessed in that I overlap the older more practical generations and the newer more tech familiar generations and also a couple of generations ahead of mine in terms of tech ability.
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Most of my mates who have kids send their daughters and sons to brownies, or boys to scouts, was there a generation where this was missed?
 
mmj_uk said:
There's already been 6 month long "work for your benefits in the community" type programmes and iirc studies have said that it's actually more of a hinderance (and massively more costly) in terms of finding people work. I think they've been scrapped now.

If we're talking about disciplining unruly youths then I don't think it will work like it used to, the hard cases will just tell the sergeants or whoever to **** off and/or go AWOL and they won't be able to do anything as a form of punishment because it breaches their human rights. It's like banning parents from smacking children on the bum.
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Those programs are quite a bit different to national service, they still get to go home at night and get to do whatever they please and will be no where near as challenging.
 
waspy88 said:
Most of my mates who have kids send their daughters and sons to brownies, or boys to scouts, was there a generation where this was missed?
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I have no idea - all I know is what I see with new hires at work (we take on a lot of people straight out of school) year on year its been a noticeable decline with an increasing number increasingly less able to think for themselves, their attitude towards work, etc.
 
Rroff said:
I have no idea - all I know is what I see with new hires at work (we take on a lot of people straight out of school) year on year its been a noticeable decline with an increasing number increasingly less able to think for themselves, their attitude towards work, etc.
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Got to create a non thinking work force and populace, ready for lifetime of meaningless work. Idiot TV shows like BB and X-Factor combine to that.
 
koooowweeee said:
Don't have a say in what?

You said it could be abuse. I said I don't see how it is.

You don't make any sense to me. But either way I will always have a say in anything. It's called freedom of speech.
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Unless you've been in that situation then you have no basis on your opinion. Just standing on a soap box looking down on others.
 
hornetstinger said:
Got to create a non thinking work force and populace, ready for lifetime of meaningless work. Idiot TV shows like BB and X-Factor combine to that.
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I actually do blame TV/movies quite a bit - we get a lot more these days that think work you can just lark around, put in minimum effort and still get paid like it is the movies and it is an actual shock to them when they find they have to put some effort in or they will get fired (ok its like maybe 5-10% of them but in the past it would be maybe 1 person max if that who had that kind of attitude).
 
As I said early, It could be classed as a part time job. So were would this abuse be? You must think it's ok to keep taking without giving, to then scream abuse because you have to give a bit back?
 
koooowweeee said:
As I said early, It could be classed as a part time job. So were would this abuse be? You must think it's ok to keep taking without giving, to then scream abuse because you have to give a bit back?
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His perspective is of subverting the job market - which is a serious consideration for stuff like that.
 
koooowweeee said:
As I said early, It could be classed as a part time job. So were would this abuse be? You must think it's ok to keep taking without giving, to then scream abuse because you have to give a bit back?
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If it's for your giro, not going PAYE/tax, and employement and full rights as a worker, then it's not the same.

As usual just people don't have a clue, or just don't care, and happy abuse happens as long as it doesn't effect them.
 
Feek said:
Older people will say yes, younger people will say no.

I know that's quite a generalisation but I'd wager it's accurate.
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Speaking as an older person I say no as it would just encourage the government to cut services, knowing full well they've got an army of conscripts to fall back on to plug the gaps they've just created in said services.
 
VoG said:
Speaking as an older person I say no as it would just encourage the government to cut services, knowing full well they've got an army of conscripts to fall back on to plug the gaps they've just created in said services.
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I recall when those on benefit schemes were being used like that, was it for the olympics? Bussed there and had to sleep rough..
 
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