Poll: National service not a bad thing?

[CREATIVE!11]

100% yes,

I've been saying this since I was 18 myself, 10 years on and I still think it.

Never been in the army myself, however I used to do army cadets when I was younger and it teaches you good habits and discipline. Bonus is if it teaches you something productive ie there were options to learn a trade during your service.

Front line war? maybe not, but as long as the process is free from criticisms listed in this thread I think it wouldn't be a bad thing.

 

[Caged]

thats were it all started..... you quoted that. IF thats was a part time job how would that be abuse???

seriously you need to have a word with yourself about where you are going with this crap

The government should pursue a policy of creating jobs until full employment is achieved, regardless of need for those jobs?

 

[koooowweeee]

The government should pursue a policy of creating jobs until full employment is achieved, regardless of need for those jobs?

Sure, but if people are on the dole, why not create a littler picking job? so rather that paying them £70 a week (or what ever it is) get them to pick up litter rather than sit on there bums.

not sure how anyone couldn't agree with that??? there is no abuse?

 

[hornetstinger]

Sure, but if people are on the dole, why not create a littler picking job? so rather that paying them £70 a week (or what ever it is) get them to pick up litter rather than sit on there bums.

not sure how anyone couldn't agree with that??? there is no abuse?

There will be abuse if goes through agency.

Basically if the job center does it, it will be ok. But if it's out sourced (which it will be) there will be abuse going on.

Seen it first hand with the work for benefits schemes.

 

[Efour]

Adding more layers means more cream to be skimmed off if you can't make 100% profit then no agency will be interested.

Government doesn't want to get bogged down actually helping people they want to sell the problem to another company to fix it. It's a sham.

 

[koooowweeee]

There will be abuse if goes through agency.

Basically if the job center does it, it will be ok. But if it's out sourced (which it will be) there will be abuse going on.

Seen it first hand with the work for benefits schemes.

ive worked on a benefit scheme (ground work oldham) yeah i did a lot of hours for no extra cash but i was learning. learning costs. its not abuse. im in the position im in today because of it.

back on topic, national service IMO would work the same way.

 

[hornetstinger]

ive worked on a benefit scheme (ground work oldham) yeah i did a lot of hours for no extra cash but i was learning. learning costs. its not abuse. im in the position im in today because of it.

back on topic, national service IMO would work the same way.

If you decided to "work" for £2 an hour that is your choice. Why would I do that, when there are jobs out there for £7.20 an hour?

It is abuse, it's breaking employement law, NMW and what this country is about.

Honestly it sounds like North Korea- work for the state, 38 hours a week, for your £65. Can't complain, no rights, no pension, no paid holiday. LOL

 

[Hades]

If we had a massive influx of cheap soldiers due to conscription then you can guarantee the government of the time (whether red, blue, purple or yellow) would see it as an opportunity to save money by cutting back on skilled soldiers. So it's a no from me.

However, I would be in favour of a National Duty of some kind to help charities, etc.

 

[Uther]

I'm all for it, as long as everybody who votes for it under the age of 70 who has never been in the forces is willing to give a year of their life up to go and do it too.

 

[stewski]

Is this poll about national service as we have had in the past, or about something different?

If we are discussing a state controlled response, say to increasingly likely environmental issues, arguably fulled by global capitalism/consumerism and the inability to work beyond myopic short term profit motives. This would probably be a very different poll to "I think the young are narcissists who need to join the Armed Forces for a year".

 

[hornetstinger]

Adding more layers means more cream to be skimmed off if you can't make 100% profit then no agency will be interested.

Government doesn't want to get bogged down actually helping people they want to sell the problem to another company to fix it. It's a sham.

yup, agencies getting paid millions by the gov- that is tax payer money. benefit money from gov goes to the claimant. Claimiant treated like a piece of crap by agency. Treated far worse than any employement agency. Because you aren't "employed" as such.

With the influx of migrants, non English speaking, then this can only lead to abuse.

 

[Efour]

However, I would be in favour of a National Duty of some kind to help charities, etc.

I agree 100% I'd call it "not being an ******* to your fellow man and contributing to a better society like everyone should already without government agencies having to force it upon you" duty.

It's a bit long, but catchy donts y'all think.

 

[Caged]

Sure, but if people are on the dole, why not create a littler picking job? so rather that paying them £70 a week (or what ever it is) get them to pick up litter rather than sit on there bums.

not sure how anyone couldn't agree with that??? there is no abuse?

Do you not think that a guaranteed person to fill whatever role you need someone for at minimum wage is a bad idea for anyone else who has to work?

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Having worked with young adults for over a decade I can confidently say that your sweeping negative generalization of them is as ignorant as it is annoying!

Compulsory anything (within reason obviously) is a bad thing imho.

Also it's a bit rich for you to be throwing around insults of narcissism, anyone who has visited the film thread knows that you have a rather arrogant and high opinion of yourself if truth be known!

 

[koooowweeee]

Do you not think that a guaranteed person to fill whatever role you need someone for at minimum wage is a bad idea for anyone else who has to work?

But there will always be unemployed so there will always be benifits being paid out. There will always be rubbish to be picked up or other jobs so it would be a win win situation. I don't see how there is another way to look at it?

 

[h4rm0ny]

'Nuff said.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I voted Yes but my Dad had to do National Service in the REME in Germany which he did enjoy a lot because they found out he was a musician.
However he spent a lot of time with 'yobs' who were made worse by the experience and he can't imagine the youth of today being made worse than what they already are. Obviously some may be changed.

This was my Dad doing National Service in Germany from 1958 to 1960, he is on the right - The Planets Germany 1958

 

[Rroff]

'Nuff said.

Amazing how that never loses its relevancy.

Having worked with young adults for over a decade I can confidently say that your sweeping negative generalization of them is as ignorant as it is annoying!

I tend to find that people who spend a lot of time working with young adults, especially ones from troubled backgrounds, tend to be somewhat sympathetic towards them maybe because they are so used to encouraging them.

 

[DarrenM343]

I agree. BY national service I'm thinking more than just the forces though - working in foreign countries to help them improve. Build & educate etc, maybe then we'll have less people in the world who want to terrorise us and the young of today will see more than just their own little rather comfy world.

I also think we need to sort out homelessness. We're supposed to be developed first world civicilised countries and therefore nobody should have to live on the streets in this time. Create environments where we can put them to use, give them food and somewhere to live. Don't care if it costs us, we owe it to human kind.

 

[helpimcrap]

I think anything to give people focus and drive in their lives is a good thing so I'm all for it. Especially in light of the increasing mental health issues in the country at the moment which only seem to be getting worse, not better.

Being out of a job etc does people harm mentally and even physically so you need to give them something to aspire to or they just give up and sponge off benefits...... which hey haven't earned....