NEC LCD20WGX2 review *** UPDATED 25/02/06 ***

I have a gt6800 on an a64 3500 on the my bleedy NEC, it plays HL2 full res 4aa and its stuck on 99fps... I'm gonna get a new card eventually but I mainly use this machine to WoW which doesnt really push it that much.

Looks sweet super sweet even that......
 
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twin 7800GTX extreme's give me over 100fps in most games.

Source full high settings and full AA and AF (i.e. 6x/16x) average fps check=140fps., Quake gives usual 60fps but bear in mind that is capped by the game itself.

SLI does help at this res - In terms of settings for my monitor - I'm not using the Advanced DVM as I've noticed the screen try's to auto adjust the contrast etc whilst ingame. The Game video mode helps also.

I'd agree that setting up games is more interesting than bleed - but when we are promised loads from this LCD and dish out £400 I'm pretty sure we'd all want a working product first! besides - if one takes the time to read through the many posts you will find how others setup their games for WS - i.e. someone has listed the command line additions needed for BF2 to run at this res etc.
 
is this monitor bad for watching tv and movies in hd, does it have twinkling or noise or ghosting and are the blacks too dark when watching movies?
as its either this or the samsung 26inch or viewsonic VX2025WM

cheers
 
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snoxu said:
Maybe what I’m trying to get at is what makes a CRT not so great for the eyes compared to a TFT? Could the reflections have something to do with it or is it the way they work or something else?

I think it's because of the way that CRT monitors refresh - they flicker many times per second, depending on the refresh rate settings - this flicker is bad for your eyes.

TFT panels don't have to flicker, or redraw the screen all the time - only the pixels that need to change colour are refreshed.
 
zoomee said:
if one takes the time to read through the many posts you will find how others setup their games for WS - i.e. someone has listed the command line additions needed for BF2 to run at this res etc.

Thanks for that.
I wasn't refering to the cfg files, (and I have read the whole thread) I was asking purely which DV setting, brightness, sharpness, RGB temperature etc people were using to achieve good colour results for gaming, while I fully agree the monitor has issues (which are hopefully being resolved by NEC) the bleed thing has basically taken over the whole thread which is unfortunate as we all know it's an issue which we are all waiting on.
 
heya Arcane

The only settings I HAD to change were the brightness - it defo had to be dropped to 85% and even then it still hurts my eyes - its REALLY bright, I think everyone who has one will agree the default of 90 odd % brightness is too high.

The different modes are available using the Naviset functionality of the software that comes enclosed on the CD - this allows independant control of all the settings accessible via the front buttons - tis well kool 2!.

Noticed my bleeding is getting worse last night :( - it basically affected all corners (almost to meet in the middle!) progressing all over my screen whilst watching four episodes of Lost2- which isnt a problem using normal windows and playing most games - its REALLY noticeable when playing a movie though as they are often dark.

Other than the brightness - Advanced DV is kool - but its noticeable when playing games as the quick switch over to a bright in game scene causes the lcd to adjust the contrast/brightness, which is highly noticeable when your just abouts to headshot someone - I personally leave it off and just use the standard Gaming mode.
 
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Hi,

I'm back from the nice 2 weeks holiday in Thailand :D Glad to see that this thread is still live & kicking ... and I'm sure that it will progress even more until people find out what a great piece of technology this monitor really is.

Had some time today to read what's new in this thread. Firstly, I'm glad that positive communication is established between the OCUK and NEC and that even NEC representatives are reading this thread now. Secondly, I'm sad to hear that backlight bummer is still present here & there for some of you. Hopefully things will settle down also on that field. Also, I'm glad to hear that NEC/Japan is investigating the matter. Not sure about the outcome, but at least it's good that they are now aware of such glitch ?! and that it will be addressed properly. Maybe they will make an effort for better backlight control of future units, who knows. As I already suggested before, 5 days burn-in is advisable, as already stated by NEC technician from Germany.

My monitor serial number is starting with 611* (and it was perfect in every sense from the beginning). Personally, I think that monitor serial number is not related with the backlight issue and such information is definitely misleading. Also, think that I noticed in some of the previous pages of this thread that someone posted the response from the NEC "support representative" that 99% or so of the units are affected. That's absolute rubbish and it's clear sign that NEC support person in question is "detached from the reality". No wonder that NEC itself asked for the traces of such support communication.

As I was on holiday, my monitor was 2 weeks off. After the cold start from today, no problems whatsoever. It's still perfect :) Of course, little bit of warming up is required for the colours to reach that luxurious level ;) As the side note, I would recommend that you install the monitor driver from the supplied CD. When you properly install the driver, it should be visible in the device manager as "Nec MultiSync 20WGX2(Digital)". Also, you may find the ICM colour profile on the supplied CD and after the successful installation it should be present as "nl20wgx2" (in the colour management tab of the display properties). Other way around is that you simply install the NaviSet software:

http://www.necdisplay.com/naviset/body.htm

or

http://www.necdisplay.com/naviset/forms/download/DS_NaViSet_English_v1.1.20_Setup.zip

This application will install the NaviSet (configuration of the monitor via display properties), monitor device driver and colour profile. Not sure if there is any difference when you install the monitor driver/icm colour profile manually (as stated above) or via NaviSet. However, it seems that actual monitor driver and icm colour profile versions tends to differ with both installation methods. When installed by NaviSet, monitor is displayed (in the device manager) as "NEC 20WGX2(DDC/CI)" and colour profile as "DTNF93K". In my case, I have installed (firstly) the NaviSet and then replaced the driver and ICM colour profile with the ones from the supplied CD ... as I naturally like to complicate things ;) It works OK. NaviSet will also offer you plenty of the screen test patterns and this is useful for the final screen calibration. Also, you may try the "Monitor Calibration Wizard":

http://www.hex2bit.com/products/product_mcw.asp

If you don't have a CD, latest monitor drivers are available at:

http://www.necdisplay.com/support/m...edinf/files2.htm&title=Display Device Drivers

Just download the small "NEC LCD Monitor Installer". It will detect your monitor and install the appropriate WHQL drivers automatically.

Hope that this will be useful to you.
 
Arcane said:
I was asking purely which DV setting, brightness, sharpness, RGB temperature etc people were using to achieve good colour results for gaming
OK ... I would say that this is rather related to individual taste, but some general guideline is probably possible.

For the FPS gaming:

Native colour mode
Standard monitor profile
Advanced DVM ON
Contrast 50%/Brightness 35% - 45% (lately, it's usually 40%)

sRGB colour mode is working only in standard monitor profile. When you activate any other profile, it's reverting back to the native colour mode.

When using gaming profile in FPS games, you may notice slight colour banding especially when there is intensive transition from the bright/dark scenes and vice versa. This is because the CFC engine is kicking in and it's usually related to the specific game titles. As I'm picky, I opted for the standard mode + Advanced DVM ON. Results are still very good. This effect is maybe (or not) pronounceable to "annoying" extent, so I would rate this to personal taste. Have to stay that people should be aware that colour banding effect is not happening because of the Advanced DVM monitor mode (as I noticed that many of you immediately opted for the Advanced DVM Off). It's because of the custom monitor profile (which is not "text" or "standard").

For the RTS, adventure or any other games where the screen content is rich & noisy and doesn't include the dark scenes (like AOE3) or intensive light transitions, I prefer the Gaming Mode and Advanced DVM ON. Sometimes, Advanced DVM Off is useable as the monitor native contrast level is providing the still surprisingly good results. However, I simply prefer the Advanced DVM as colours are more balanced, less saturated and usually more pleasant to the eye. I rarely go over 50% of the brightness as for me it's only needed when watching the monitor from the distance (like movies ... etc). I'm surprised that some of the users are keeping the brightness @ 80% but hey maybe they like it that way ;)

For the desktop usage: Advanced DVM Off and standard monitor profile.

I'm keeping the same 50 % contrast & 40% brightness levels for all working conditions. Photo profile is very interesting as the colours are even more deep and contrast is, as far as I can tell, more exposed. However, didn't have a chance to play more with this mode.

I didn't experiment much with the RGB temperatures and gaming, so maybe when I have more time I will have a play.

Arcane said:
while I fully agree the monitor has issues (which are hopefully being resolved by NEC) the bleed thing has basically taken over the whole thread which is unfortunate as we all know it's an issue which we are all waiting on.
Yes, it's unfortunate event that this is starting to drag the thread again. However, it's understandable. For the amount of money invested, people would simply like to enjoy the monitor on full scale and if the backlight bleed side effect is unbearable they have every right to complain. Only downside is that such posts are not structured in "organised" way ... but we can't do much there.
 
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salami1212 said:
is this monitor bad for watching tv and movies in hd, does it have twinkling or noise or ghosting and are the blacks too dark when watching movies?
I think that couple of users on the previous pages of this thread posted that they were very pleased with the movie playback (someone even watched the LOST HD version).

From me, no complains. It was very good. Colours are rich, dark scenes are excellent, no ghosting whatsoever (as panel is very responsive).

Twinkling or noise is present, as all LCD screens are suffering from this to some extent (I would say that it's pretty much normal with this technology). I think that in some of my previous posts, I already described this. My advice is: watch your movies from the distance !
 
Thanks for the input guys, I've not had much joy with the icm file I found it way to washed out when I used it, I'm settled now on standard DV mode, Adv DV on, 50% brightness. I may crack out the Colorvision later, if I can leave oblivion alone for 5 minutes :D, shame you can only select native with the DV /ADV modes and not SRGB etc.
 
I took the plunge and got one last week,

My experiences..

Fast delevery! Nice ;)
The whites are brighter and the blacks are darker, Nice
Good Colour reproduction out of the box (a little warm)
I have no dead pixels, :)

but I have bad backlight top middle, top left, and bottom left, but that was at the end of a long gaming session. It certainly wasn't there when I first set up the display, Decided not to get fustrated and bought a copy of Oblivion. :)

Next day backlight bleed had dissapeared! an hour later noticed that it was emerging again but about half the amount it did the first time, phew.

Touching the area of backlight leekage on the screen, gently, makes the leakage looks more severe.

If the fixture of the screen surface during production was inacurate it could easily cause the backlight issues. Also materials expanding and contracting seem to directly effect the light refraction.

Also, Perhaps the extremes two of being hot and being cold, if pushed or exadurated could help iron out such issues.

So I'll leave it on a screen saver for an extended long period then give it a cool off session and I'll see how it looks then. :)

A great piece of Kit though, mines getting better, just hope it continues to improve.
 
zoomee said:
heya Arcane

The only settings I HAD to change were the brightness - it defo had to be dropped to 85% and even then it still hurts my eyes - its REALLY bright, I think everyone who has one will agree the default of 90 odd % brightness is too high.

Hehe your CRT eyes ain't used to TFT yet :D When I first got my NEC coming from a CRT it hurt my eyes but you get used to the brightness after a while, or at least I did :D
 
John Paul said:
LaRZ:

What do you think of the reflective coating?


First off JP great name ;).

The reflective screen isnt really that much bother. i got used to it pretty quick (its lick having a crt with a really clean screen). It can reflect sometimes when th elights shining directly on it but then who would want that anyway. It makes things a lot clearer and i was astonished at the richness of colour and how deep the black is on screen.

If you havent got thos monitor and are thinking about it do it I will never go back to crt....


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the reflective screen adds a touch of class i reckon. As long as you can stop the sun getting in your room when needs be, and there aren't any bright lights behind the screen, you should be fine :)
 
I've never had any problem with the reflective screen, you can't tell it's shiny when the screens on, admittedly I play in low light but the reflection from the telly behind isn't causing any probs.
 
So are the problems sorted out with this monitor yet regarding backlight bleed or is it still a take a chance thing... It's either this one or the Viewsonic VX2025, from what i've read this NEC is better, is it, anyone compared the two?
 
Hi all

in regards to john paul's question.. and lots of rant..

The Dell 2005fpw screen surface has (you may have noticed on other screens too) pearl like minature sands texture, very nice for working with (photoshop/illustrator/word) as you feel your working with a surface of pure and balanced white, it is substance and subtle texture,. when you the read text, the text is on a surface and it reeds more like paper. working closely to the screen is great because the lights glare is also filtered somewhat more than with opticlear.

With the Opticlear all you see is the image and no surface, just like a high quality CRT and even looks as so the image is just floating there with a great sense of the panel being more like a window into another world, and more immersive for video editing and computer games, it just helps to add that xtra vibrance to the spectrum. I think the opticlear screen is a triumph.

I can see minute amounts of afterglow with fast pased games, and you really have to look carefully to spot it. and mostly its not visable under most instances. So it's much less than the 2405 afterglow about 70-80 % less, and a better handling of colour in my book. A most impressive feat.

This panal at the moment is proberbly the clearest most accurate representation of what my PC is attempting to display. that I have owned also, it's the lightest in weight. I have a very slight issue with light warmth in the colour reproduction but we really are talking slight here.

monitors owned within family

mitsubushi diamond 720
mistubushi 720 diamond pro
Mistubushi 900 u Diamond pro
Mistubushi 2020 Diamond Pro
Dell 2405 fpw (philips panel ?)
Dell 2005 fpw
Sony 17" LCD
Nec 20wgx2

The nec 20wgx2 Definately takes the biscuit in clarity and resposiveness but in my eyes the Dell 2005fpw and the Sony 17" screen that we own, have a slight advantage in more natural colour reproduction, but thier both no way near as vibrant and as lively as the nec20wgx2.

all mistubushi CRT's are on par with 2005fpw philips and the sony 17" in terms of colour reproduction, but at higher contrast ratios.

A negative thought, (and yes I am picky!!)
but why have plastic painted silver bezel ? it looks like its trying to look like silver, If they had to have it silver they should have used alluminium and put the price up to compensate. black plastic is honest and simple and doesn't draw attention to itself, it is only a bezel and its the panel that counts, so why draw attention to a bezel by painting it silver?, like its the new beige or somin :rolleyes:

Bring on an all black one nec, please! perhaps keep buttons plastic/silver if you must.

My backlight bleed has gone down, but its still there and slightly noticable on a black background and I'm going to ring Sarah anyway, if the issue should be reported within 2 weeks, its best to be safe than sorry.

larzy
 
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