NEC LCD20WGX2 review *** UPDATED 25/02/06 ***

Well I still have a little backlight bleed bottom left & top right. However it has decreased slightly to when I first fired it up. Nothing that I would consider obtrusive though. I have not fired anything like FEAR or Doom 3 up yet though.

I'll see what it's like at the end of the week & decide whether or not to report it to NEC.

I'm a bit reluctant as my screen has no dead/lazy pixels that I can make out.
I have to say I'm very please with this screen. The picture is excellent with very little ghosting/smearing. Had a jaunt on HL2 Lost Coast & much imprved over the Formac Gallery 2010 I had previously.
 
Arcane said:
Thanks for the input guys, I've not had much joy with the icm file I found it way to washed out when I used it, I'm settled now on standard DV mode, Adv DV on, 50% brightness. I may crack out the Colorvision later, if I can leave oblivion alone for 5 minutes :D, shame you can only select native with the DV /ADV modes and not SRGB etc.
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That's about the values & options I've settled for. Works for me :D
 
How the coating look when the monitor is turned off?

Is there a problem with the colours being too vibrant? I work as a graphic designer/web designer and it would be troublesome if the colours were more vibrant than the averege because my pages would look grayish on other screens... Good colourreproduction is allways nice though.
 
I'd like to report that all initial backlight bleed on my NEC has now disappeared (and originally it was very bad, huge greeny coloured blooms on the bottom corners and smaller bleeds on the top corners), after approximately 3 weeks of ownership.

I haven't had it on every night though, I like to go down the pub a couple of times per week!! :D

After someone reported a suspect batch of serial numbers I checked mine and it wasn't the same (did the dodgy serials start with 612 or something?). I do have a stuck pixel, but it's so far down in the bottom right corner of the screen, and it's grey so it's a neutral colour, it isn't worth bothering about.

These blacks are so deep I can lose myself in them, and I've not yet tired of replaying all my games to witness how much difference this screen makes - what a fantastic monitor - I hope everyone with problems get theirs sorted out!
 
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How the coating look when the monitor is turned off?
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It's deep deep black and you can easily see the OptiClear film. Also, when you face the light source against the powered off screen, light is filtered by OptiClear coating and you may see some purplish-reddish colour in the light reflection.

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Is there a problem with the colours being too vibrant? I work as a graphic designer/web designer and it would be troublesome if the colours were more vibrant than the averege because my pages would look grayish on other screens... Good colourreproduction is allways nice though.
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For me, colours are even more accurate and balanced with Advanced DVM. Also, possible glare is gone and colours are even more pleasant to the eye. As some guideline about the colour reproduction, this picture from TFTcentral may help:

http://dwuk.net/baddass/tft_central/images/nec_20wgx2/delta_after.jpg

Colours are vivid, but not to the "annoying" extent I could say. If you are concerned about the colour accuracy and "post production" colouring effects, sRGB is maybe the option for you. Generally, I'm keeping the sRGB in the desktop mode active all the time. This monitor is "tweaking friendly" and even if you find that colours are maybe saturated or too much vivid, you can configure the monitor easily to your taste.
 
John Paul said:
Is there a problem with the colours being too vibrant? I work as a graphic designer/web designer and it would be troublesome if the colours were more vibrant than the averege because my pages would look grayish on other screens... Good colourreproduction is allways nice though.
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The colours are good, I work in Advertising and spend my days mainly retouching (food shots for one of the Major Burger emporiums :D), I've found the NEC to have better colour than the Apple 20" I use at work, as I've mentioned earlier if you're really serious about colour you need to hardware calibrate, but for an out of the box product I personally think it's excellent, you can get close enough by messing with the OSD, especially for web stuff, as Igors stated, you've got all the usual suspects, S-RGB, 9300K etc for the more critical stuff and the DV modes etc for games, surfing, etc.
 
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Opps, It's on this week only....... ordered :D

I hope its all right.

i was sort of put of by the reflective screen but some say its all right,

and you can't tell it's shiny when the screens on.

we will see :confused:
 
the reflective screen is no more a problem than it is for a totally flat glass CRT screen,(infact less so because its shallower from surface to picture) you'll want it clear of finger prints. Its a pitch black screen (not grey like some tv's) This Panel looks better than most, but if the bezel was matt black it would have contrasted so nicely with polished look of the screen, instead of matt silver on plastic, it could have also enriched the colours somewhat, and furtherd the illusion of deep black. :cool:

I'm also glad to report that I have no more noticeable bleed in the top left or middle top, The screen has been on all day, in the morning displaying bright screensavers, so its been working hard. And now theres just a small hint of bleed in the bottom left but its still a deep black. and you now have to look hard to even see it. I don't think I'll be bothering Sarah as this screen is inching its way to perfection on uniformity, if that's the right word. :)

I still have very slight reservations about the slight warmth of colour, but the monitor is very customizable and still feel like it could be icc profile related, whoever your sitting next to can see what you see and this is important for when two people are discussing the contents of the display, the viewing angles are great. :)

larzy
 
LaRZ said:
The Dell 2005fpw screen surface has (you may have noticed on other screens too) pearl like minature sands texture, very nice for working with (photoshop/illustrator/word) as you feel your working with a surface of pure and balanced white, it is substance and subtle texture,. when you the read text, the text is on a surface and it reeds more like paper. working closely to the screen is great because the lights glare is also filtered somewhat more than with opticlear.

With the Opticlear all you see is the image and no surface, just like a high quality CRT and even looks as so the image is just floating there with a great sense of the panel being more like a window into another world, and more immersive for video editing and computer games, it just helps to add that xtra vibrance to the spectrum. I think the opticlear screen is a triumph.
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Very good observation! I'm generally not the particular fan of the noisy/grainy/sandy surface of the normal & AR coating LCD panels. Also, AR coating is (from my point of view) somewhat more "fuzzy" and with much less "clarity", apart from doing the anti reflective job. Anyhow, apart from other luxurious features of this monitor, OptiClear was something that I was particularly keen to have before I have finalised the purchasing decision. :)
 
looking back at the pearl sands

that pearl sands effect is doing wonders as it feels like my 2005fpw can display more colour than the nec, (hmm not sure of the specs difference). but every photo that Ive taken and displayed on both screens, the Dell2005fpw always looks more convincing, as if the sands add a further degree of detail within the grain of a photograph. Also makes the 2405fpw great for displaying photographs too. Regardless the nec does a good job reproducing colour, in much greater contrast ratio's too.
 
Richdog said:
Igor you're aliveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Was wondering where you'd got to. :p
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I'm alive, REALLY alive my friend. Actually, I'm still recovering from the two weeks holiday bliss in Thailand. It was fantastic holiday. Bangkok + Phuket + Krabi and I can probably say that almost complete southern (tsunami faced) Thailand coast was covered in this holiday. Was most impressed with the "Pang Na" province ... you know that scenery with the huge limestone cliffs (in all weird shapes) which are rising high above the turquoise and sometimes velvety greenish sea. "The Man with the Golden Gun" was filmed there ... and in all honestly it looks completely surreal. Nothing like you ever seen before. Krabi is gorgeous too and you may find there finest beaches and islands in Thailand. It's still unspoiled and rural unlike Phuket where you can find plenty of Starbucks, McDonalds and all other usual suspects of the world globalisation ... didn't like that. In my book, human being who is unable to visualise his/her holiday without the McDonalds should be deported from Thailand ... no questions asked :D and some education about the food culture would also be beneficial. Bangkok was planet on it's own. I didn't realised how massive this metropolis really is until I visited the "Vertigo" bar/restaurant on the 65 floor of the Banyan Tree hotel. They used this place before as the HeliPad. Now, it's *completely* open restaurant/bar. Having a drink there you really start to question yourself if you are sitting on the top of the world. Shocking. Hmmmm ... maybe I should write the mini review about everything ;)

But ... you see, didn't forgot you guys at the end. :p
 
Is anyone using the ClearType with this monitor ? My finding is that it's definitely messing up with the clarity of the fonts and quite possibly it's not even needed for this monitor. At the end, I decided to ditch it ... as without it perceptive vision of the fonts smoothness and the screen clarity itself is really much better and most of the times so CRT-ish like. Me like it :)
 
Just got this monitor today unpacked it and just set it up

but at the mo all i can see is backlight bleed and loads of it

in the bottom corner. :mad:

What can i do about it ??

HELP!







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Lately, I noticed that many people as soon as they discover that some monitor is based on the S-IPS panel they are confident that monitor will produce the equal performance as NEC. At some places, I even noticed that Dell 2005/2007 is quoted to use the same panel as NEC. It's definitely misleading. I would like to clear such possible confusion and give some right directions on this matter.

Yes, they are sharing the roots of the same IPS technology (S-IPS) ... but panel type is not the same; Fair enough, S-IPS are excellent panels capable of brilliant performance (and they are my favourite) ... but NEC is based on the AS-IPS (A = Advanced S-IPS and it may be related to DVM ... I think, but not sure) and it's faster as it's boosting the impressive 6ms g2g. In other words, NEC panel is using the improved (or different) overdrive and completely different panel control circuit because of the Advanced DVM. FYI ... even Dell 2005 is using the LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201W01), but it simply can't match the NEC performance and display clarity. In some sense, sometimes it's not just enough that people focus on the panel type or origin strictly. Improved overdrive or advanced panel control circuit my bring the surprising results also.

Anyhow, what is interesting about this monitor is that even in direct comparisons with the standard S-IPS panels (like Dell 2005) it definitely delivers the stronger picture performance in the terms of image clarity, colour reproduction and deepness, black levels and contrasts. Surprisingly, this is even happening with the stock monitor configuration and without the Advanced DVM enabled. I know that credit have to go partly to the OptiClear ... but this is not the major player. Somehow, I'm starting to believe that they maybe changed something in the AS-IPS panel itself (apart from the electronic control circuit) as this monitor even at the stock setup and without the Advanced DVM is above the S-IPS competition.

Unfortunately, no "downloadable" tech spec is available for the AS-IPS. I collected some statements from the manufactures itself about the AS-IPS. Quite possibly, it may confirm my theory from the above.

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The advanced super(AS) -IPS mode system for use in televisions, large-screen monitors and other applications achieves an approximate 30% improvement in the aperture ratio over conventional IPS technology. Furthermore, AS-IPS realizes a higher level of brightness and reproduces colors more realistically thanks to high-purity color filters and other proprietary technologies.
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This unique design ensures consistent illumination, excellent color performance and optimum contrast-even at wide off-axis viewing angles.
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It may quite possible happen that CCFL backlight tubes have also been replaced in NEC by a new generation which is capable of a wider gamut.


At the end, here is some interesting comparison between the Dell 2007WFP and NEC LCD20WGX2 (response times & colour reproduction):

Response times:
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=52&mo1=95&p1=969&ma2=88&mo2=106&p2=1042&ph=1

Colour reproduction (after the calibration):
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=52&mo1=95&p1=969&ma2=88&mo2=106&p2=1042&ph=6
 
Intresting, many thanks for the info Igors :)

My issue Ive built this website for the primary school I work at :), wev'e not releasded it yet and still needs amendments. However I built the website out of shades of white on the 2005fpw, but when I view this site on the nec it looks like tones of cream not white. as if the backlight is too yellow, at school we have only philiphs panels and the website looks uniformly white, on all lcd's and crt's.

here

how does my website look for you ? it should be cool nuetral shades from white, supposed to look like paper not like yellow paper, I can calibrate the RGB amounts on the nec however this then tends to screw up mid tones, when I aim for my white.

Not sure what to do, backlight not an issue any more, but colour reproduction is important to me, what should I do ?
 
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