NEC LCD20WGX2 review *** UPDATED 25/02/06 ***

Sparky__H said:
[Right in the middle of the box but cam is not good enough to show it though

Damp cloth massage – Didn’t work
Switching screen on/off a few times – Didn’t work
Colour flashing thingy – Didn’t work
Hmmm .. I'm not sure about the pixel massage, because of the OptiClear as maybe this coating is simply placing the barrier between your finger and the actual pixel (panel) ?! Maybe you should give it a day or two and see if maybe pixel would recover (hopefully). Some general guidelines about the pixel massage (taken from other web site):

1.Turn off your computer monitor.
2.Get yourself a damp cloth, so that you don't scratch your screen.
3.Apply pressure to the area where the stuck pixel is. Do not put pressure anywhere else, as this may make more stuck pixels.
4.While applying pressure, turn on your computer and screen.
5. Remove pressure and the stuck pixel should be gone. This works as the liquid in the liquid crystal has not spread into each little pixel. This liquid is used with the backlight on your monitor, allowing different amounts of light through, which creates the different colours.

Also, gently tapping the area can also work in some cases. If "hardware" solution doesn't work, you may try this software:

UDpixel: http://udpix.free.fr/

Somewhat, users had more that average success rate with this one. Who knows, but you may try it ... I guess you have nothing to loose.

Anyhow, yes, truly unfortunate event you have there. If you are completely annoyed by this, you may contact the NEC support and I'm sure that they will be more then helpful on this one.
 
Richdog said:
Gaah I forgot all about needing to be registered to view the pics, what a plum!
No worries

Richdog said:
And actually it's my first home as i'm a senior moderator there. :D
Nice. I was regular read only visitor on that forum ... but didn't poke my nose there for several months now. Maybe it's time for re-visit :D

Richdog said:
Would I be able to email the pics to you and you host them for me?
No probs. I will send you the PM shortly. Essentially, I can give you the server upload access details ... so that you can upload them from your end whenever and however you like ;) No need for e-mail business (and I don't like pesonally to receive the huge files via e-mail).

Richdog said:
And thanks for the kind words about the review, hope it re-enforces what you said. :)
It complements the review really nicely. As you promised the review long ago, I almost started to worry what are you cooking there :D
 
Richdog said:
lol think ive sorted it now thanks Igors, but if you still have the space to load a few large 5MB .BMP files that would be nice. :D
No probs. Just follow the upload procedure I sent you already. What are the pics? Something nice? ... for NEC? Please note that my server is porn sensitive ... so no go for that subject :D
 
I got mine today and its wicked its so big it feels so much larger then my old 19inch CRT and the picture is really great I think I have one dead pixel but can hardly see it and backlight bleed in one corner but seems to be going as we speak and is very minimal. I am very happy with this screen worth every penny if you ask me and if you would like any pic's or me to check anything just ask and I will try and do it as soon as possible :D

Monitorpic2.jpg
 
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LaRZ said:
I cant get this panel to display all my colours it says 16.7 million, but is it a true 8 bit panel ?
Yes, it's true 8-bit panel ... natively.

LaRZ said:
Its falling short at the moment when display my photographs, I'm getting colour banding when white balance has been balanced or leave white as is (which is quite yellow, very warm)

to get a non yellow white I have to put the monitor to r = 80% G = 80% Blue = 100% but this screws up the rest of my colours.
Strange visuals you have there. Colours on this monitor are bit on the warm (for me pleasant) side, but not to such extent. As I mentioned to you, your website does look pretty much white (almost alpine white) to me here. OK ... it's maybe bit on the worm side but far far away from what you are describing (yellowish colour banding). Even in case that you don't like the warm colour gamut, you can easily switch to the cooler colour temperatures via monitor colour presets.

LaRZ said:
I've got naviset installed from the CD (and it works) but trying to attach that icc profile appears to do nothing.
When you install the ICC profile in windows (via monitor display properties), it will do nothing much, as far as I could test it. Only when you import the ICC colour profile via Nvidia advanced colour correction options, you will notice the changes. However, when imported from Nvidia display software ... colours are suddenly washed out, so not quite sure what's going on there. Didn't have enough time to play around.

As the side note, I would recommend any user to colour calibrate this monitor. Even at the stock set-up it will produce surprisingly good results, but further colour calibration will give you less colour saturation, colours will have better contrast against each other, text reading via clear type will be better and even the games will benefit from the slightly better antialiasing visuals. When the monitor is properly calibrated, you will really expose it's full potential.

LaRz said:
I feel like Ive spent ages trying to calibrate this monitor, but I just keep coming back to it, wondering why it looks so yellow on the lighter tones. I had similar fustrating experiences with the 2405fpw and colour. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong ?
Did you ever played with the CMY gradient linearity test & calibration method? For example, you open the CMY colour gradients, switch the monitor to native mode, native colour profile and start to play around with the colour correction curve in the advanced colour correction mode in the Nvidia display properties. Of course, you may save your colour preset at any time. You may even try to avoid the nvidia colour correction method and just try the monitor RGB colour tweaking. Sometimes, it's much easier for me to calibrate the screen by using this method, especially the even colours stepping in the very dark range. Also, some users reported good success rate with DisplayMate. Haven't tried this software personally.

LaRz said:
Odd thing is I've set up 30 Philips panels at work and none of them had to be calibrated to be right in my eyes. And my 2005fpw was perfect straight from the box (another Philips panel). :(
Essentially, 2005fpw and even new Philips are sharing the roots of the same IPS technology, so strictly speaking such massive colour differences are simply strange. AS-IPS panel technology also improved the colour gamut even more, along with the colour reproduction capabilities.
 
igors said:
When you install the ICC profile in windows (via monitor display properties), it will do nothing much, as far as I could test it. Only when you import the ICC colour profile via Nvidia advanced colour correction options, you will notice the changes. However, when imported from Nvidia display software ... colours are suddenly washed out, so not quite sure what's going on there. Didn't have enough time to play around.

I had exactly the same thing with the ICC profile, it looked terrible, like the brightness had been ramped all the way up. My loan monitor's working nicely, still no word from NEC on the replacement, am getting used to LCD's more now, still don't like the image in comparison to a good CRT, everything looks to harsh and sharp for my taste, though I'm enjoying having the desk back :D.
 
Arcane said:
am getting used to LCD's more now, still don't like the image in comparison to a good CRT, everything looks to harsh and sharp for my taste
It may sound stupid, but did you try to decrease the monitor sharpness to 8% - 9%, during the transition phase and simulate the CRT blur lol ;) Interestingly enough, transition from CRT was not so harsh/sharp for me. Yes, picture is *much* more detailed & sharp, but I guess that I'm used to it now (positively).
Arcane said:
though I'm enjoying having the desk back :D.
No doubt. Apart from more desk space for my work, I doubt that my room wall will develop again that huge black mark because of the CRT monitor back and my dear wife is happy to ... so I guess that everyone is happy now :D
 
Bobmunkhouse said:
Just a quick question did anyone get a warrenty card with this screen as I could not find it in the box and I want to make sure I get the full 3 year cover?
You see, I'm not sure about the existence of that card. I already trashed my monitor box, maybe was there ... not sure really. Anyhow, even when you call the NEC you just need the monitor serial number (you may find this in OSD display) and date & place of purchase.
 
igors said:
You see, I'm not sure about the existence of that card. I already trashed my monitor box, maybe was there ... not sure really. Anyhow, even when you call the NEC you just need the monitor serial number (you may find this in OSD display) and date & place of purchase.

Thanks for that info Im sure I wont need to call them as I am very happy with the screen and Im sure that little bit of backlight bleed will go away after a while like the rest of the people on here. But even if its stays I played DOOM 3 and it looks great much metter then my CRT.

Here is one more pic as Im very proud lol :D

Monitorpic3.jpg
 
Paul -C- said:
Would NEC exchange a monitor if it had a dead pixel right in the middle? It's really annoying me...

I dont think just on one but you could say you had really bad back light bleed and get a new one mabey. I have one dead pixel but cant really ever see it and its more to the side.
 
LOL Bob I have the backlight bleed and as of yet have no idea when i'm getting a new one. So far it has taken NEC 4 weeks to come up with a decision to do nothing about their faulty monitors. I'm starting to get a bit wary of whether theyre actually going to hold ture to there word and replace with a new monitor.......

As for the dead pixel mine has one also, smack in the middle and unless i'm doing something in a complete dark enviroment i rarely see it.

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Paul -C- said:
Would NEC exchange a monitor if it had a dead pixel right in the middle? It's really annoying me...
Is that dead pixel definitely ? Reason why I'm asking is that usually they are not so much distracting (like maybe stuck pixels) as they are generally dark, dimmed and usually slightly greyish. They are more "visible" on pure green, probably less on white, blue or red screen and colour glare of the surrounding pixels is the additional effect which is minimising the dead pixels side effects. Essentially, they are visible to the (possible) "annoying" extent only with the specific set of pure background colours and usually when you are particularly looking for them. With the pixel pitch of 0.258, 1680x1050 resolution and the fact that monitor screen is always flashy, textured and coloured ... I guess that it must be really hard to find them (if you are not aware about their existence) and OptiClear should "smooth" the dead pixels slightly more (as you don't see that grainy LCD surface). Many people probably wouldn't spot the one or two dead pixels during normal monitor usage and sometimes they are even unaware that they do have them, unless they run dead pixel tester or some other specific monitor testing software. Of course, other thing is that psychological annoyance that you are simply "aware" about the existence of the dead pixels on your screen and they are constantly distracting you to look for them again and again and again (and usually without any particular or logical reason or just to be sure that they are still there). So, what I'm trying to tell you is that definitely you will be less distracted (or more likely not distracted) with the dead pixel than with the other panel uniformity problem. Of course, it may happen that your NEC replacement will be perfect in every sense.

Anyhow, back to the subject, not sure about the NEC position here. Maybe you should ask them and it would be interesting to know what they have to say. Not sure about the other aspects of your screen, but maybe you can sing a song about something else also. It's tricky decision, that's for sure. If your monitor is OK otherwise and if you are unlucky, there is a risk that you receive the similar one from the RMA, unless they pre-test the monitor for you. All in all, you either have to live with the dead pixel (and ignore it, physiologically) or just try the RMA path.
 
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From your description it sounds like a stuck pixel then, which is stuck on white.

Whenever the screen is dark I can see a white pixel right in the middle of the screen.

I'm gonna call them just now and see what they say.
 
Paul -C- said:
From your description it sounds like a stuck pixel then, which is stuck on white.

Whenever the screen is dark I can see a white pixel right in the middle of the screen.
I see, it's white then. That's quite unfortunate as this is definitely the dead pixel. Valve of this pixel is simply fixed in "up" position and it's allowing the backlight to go through, but not manipulating the amount (like healthy pixels do in order to produce the colour). Black dead pixel valve is fixed in "down" position and it's blocking the backlight, which is better option and statistically they are somehow more present.

In my response from the above, I was referring to lazy or sub-pixels as other types ... sorry ... and they can be red, green or blue.

Paul -C- said:
I'm gonna call them just now and see what they say.
OK
 
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