NEC LCD20WGX2 review *** UPDATED 25/02/06 ***

Scoobie Dave said:
Well thats what I thought. Its only when you have a white background that it sticks out like a sore thumb. Its annoying as once you know it's there you cant help but notice it. Maybe im just really picky, but when your spending £400+ on a panel you want it to be near perfect. I will try and take a photo of it when I get home (at work at the moment) to show you what it's like.
Apart from that im totally blown away with the quality of this panel, you realise just how dull crt's look when you have had a go on one these!. :D
So if the blob does not go (and it's not looking good so far), I take it this is worthy of an RMA?

helloo all

does anyone if this screen is 1:1 pixel mapping

thanks
 
Scoobie Dave said:
Well thats what I thought. Its only when you have a white background that it sticks out like a sore thumb. Its annoying as once you know it's there you cant help but notice it. Maybe im just really picky, but when your spending £400+ on a panel you want it to be near perfect. I will try and take a photo of it when I get home (at work at the moment) to show you what it's like.
Apart from that im totally blown away with the quality of this panel, you realise just how dull crt's look when you have had a go on one these!. :D
So if the blob does not go (and it's not looking good so far), I take it this is worthy of an RMA?

Dave,

Dood i have had 3 faulty panels so far, each time they get better but as you said, 400 quid i want perfect not near perfect, not just a little bleed or a slight dead pixel. 100% perfect.

H
 
Well it seems that this blob thing does not want to go, I was hoping it would fade over time but it hasn't.

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As you can see this is not just one pixel!

Where do I go from here? What is the RMA precedure like with NEC, I cant go afford to go without a monitor. Im sure that I have read on this thread somewhere they deliver a new panel to you and pick up your old one at the same time?
 
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Dave find the number listed in this thread for nec monitor support. A couple back posted by myself actually lol.

You will more that likely speak to a very helpful lady called Sarah (who will probably be expecting your call - spooky huh)... Anyway they should be able to arrange the delivery of a replacement monitor and providing all goes well you send ** faulty one back.

H
 
hudson said:
Cant stress how quickly you should act.
Contact NEC number is 08701 201160 you'll speak to a very helpful lady called sarah who is watching (wave) and she can advise on what you need to do.

The normal procedure (well what has happend for me) is they send the replacement, you use the replacement for a couple of days and then return the old one. The packing slip they include details how and where to get things delivered to and picked up from.

H

From you previous post! ;)

Gonna phone up on Monday morning and hopefully get things sorted. Apart from the mark in the bottom left corner im still really pleased with this tft and glad I bought it still. I just hope the customer support is good (it looks like it is from reading other posts)

:)
 
thought some of you might be interested in this, there's a review of the NEC over at THG France now, including all the normal in depth tests they do.

link to review translated :)

of particular interest is the latency graph@

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it shows definetly low latency for an IPS panel, although a little poorly controlled showing some obvious variation. This is reflected in their analysis of the screen showing a fair amount of overshoot, and this leads to the noise in movie playback that they support. The scren is impressive though from that graph, and hopefully the overdrive will become more evenly controlled in the future to provide some even better screens!
 
hi igor

ou didnt reallymention that much about text clarity and overall desktop work, could you please do a mini review on this or let me know how this monitor performs in in text and web browsing and everyday office based work.

many thanks for your review and time.

thanks
 
ATI said:
hi igor

ou didnt reallymention that much about text clarity and overall desktop work, could you please do a mini review on this or let me know how this monitor performs in in text and web browsing and everyday office based work.
From the review thread itself: :)

Working in desktop was real pleasure. I really liked the widescreen desktop "expansion" from the old 4:3 format. Text was clear and crisp (even without the cleartype) and colour reproduction was really fantastic. Also, when you place bright white objects against the black background no visible shadowing or colour bleeding are visible and contrast was just great. Colour intensive screens, with loads of details, are rendered perfectly. I really wanted to visit all my favourite web sites again and enjoy them in full glory on this monitor, as colours are so vivid and real that it's simply amazing.Screen is really pleasant to the eye when working in desktop. Colours are vibrant and deep, contrast is exceptional, brightness is just crazy (but controllable) and glossy screen is giving additional "smoothness" to the eye. Don't know if I mentioned, but my office LCD screen 17" BenQ is very harsh to the eye, comparing to this one.

I have only one picture to show for the desktop font clarity:

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You will notice the blue luminance around the fonts. It's just the camera glow, nothing to worry about. But notice the contrast, black levels and fonts "smoothness". It's almost CRT-ish like. Interestingly enough, when I decrease the monitor sharpness to 6.2% or 8.3% ... I'm telling you (and this is no joke) it looks just like CRT This may work in a way to reduce the "texture sharpness" especially in the games, so it may be useful for the people who are not the fans of the "LCD" army knife sharpnes (especially in games).
Anyhow, working in desktop was really cool. Because of the OptiClear, this monitor doesn't have that crystallized (or sandy) feel of the screen (like other AR coating panels) and this is contributing to the overall "smoothness" of the screen and it's not harsh to the eye. As I like smooth, CRT-ish like panel feel, I was really pleased (and surprised) how NEC is performing on this field. Even my friends, when they observe the screen for the first time, are telling me that it reminds them so much of the CRT (and that this is the best LCD screen they've seen so far). Of course, on the other hand, colour clarity and vibrancy are simply not comparable with the CRT (in the positive way).
 
Baddass said:
of particular interest is the latency graph@

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Impressive! ... and good find ;) No wonder that I was equally impressed with the response times during the review. No particular in-depth measurements (like here), purely from the perceptive point of view. Anyhow, it's nice to see that AS-IPS redefined the IPS legacy so nicely and that 20WGX2 is still firmly holding the performance crown, even when compared (and according to the latency graphs) with the latest generation of P-MVA (ViewSonic VX2025wm) and S-PVA (Samsung 215TW) panels.

Couple of comments about the review. It's strange that they were not satisfied with the panel uniformity. Maybe backlight was not uniform on their testing sample ?! I thoroughly tested the panel uniformity (and my panel pictures in the dark may possibly complement this) and couldn't be more happier with the results. Also, it seems that they didn't tested the 1600:1 Advanced DV mode ?! ... not sure why such trend in the reviews. In this mode, colour accuracy is even better and mesaurable black level (at approx 50% brigtness) is around 0.25 (and it can go down to 0.20 @ 100 cd/m2). Of course, you have additional benefits of improved contrast and DFC. On the other hand it may happen that Advanced DV and OptiClear in combination with colorimeter is simply not joy, because perceptive picture quality is drastically different then the measured one. Even without Advanced DV and after proper calibration monitor will still deliver exceptional picture quality. Quite possibly, the optimal settings for the NEC are with the Advanced DV ON, Standard DV mode, 50% contrast and brightness according to the user preference. Strange why such inconsistence in the review.

Also, they mentioned the excellent resolution scaling capabilities (NEC is calling this resolution expansion) of this screen and in essence they are right. You can play the games even at 1024x768 with no particular loss of image quality. Resolution scaling and 1:1 pixel mapping are working great.

Baddass said:
The scren is impressive though from that graph, and hopefully the overdrive will become more evenly controlled in the future to provide some even better screens!
Definitely. If they improve even more overdrive control (stability), combine that with possible "overdrive off" feature (as we witnessed with some NEC screens) and further improve the backlight technology ... we would probably have surprising results and screen which will excel in all tasks. AS-IPS does have bright future, no doubt.
 
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Buzzing/whinny noise

Hi guys,

I just bought the 20WGX² with a warranty of 0 dead pixels.

The first one I received have 2 dead pixels and I notice that when the monitor is in standby (there's no PC signal : amber led), there's a faint buzzing/whinny noise. It really is annoying, especially when I'm trying to sleep. When I turn on the pc then the screen goes on and it disappear.

So I RMA it.

The second one I received as 1 dead pixel and I also notice that noise :

Monitor on : no noise
Monitor standby (orange light): high beeeeeep

The beep come from the back upper right of the screen.

As I bought it with a warranty of 0 dead pixel during 3 months I RMA it on more time.

Now I'm waiting for the third on. Cross fingers.

Does anyone notice this buzzing/whinny noise ?
 
krill said:
I just bought the 20WGX² with a warranty of 0 dead pixels.
Is that 0 dead pixel warranty supplied by NEC or your shop ? Very interesting.

krill said:
As I bought it with a warranty of 0 dead pixel during 3 months I RMA it on more time.
I guess, same question as above ;)

krill said:
Does anyone notice this buzzing/whinny noise ?
Monitor on : no noise
Monitor standby (orange light): high beeeeeep
The beep come from the back upper right of the screen.
I guess not ?! Mine doesn't have that and I can't remember many posts about this. I think that some US version (20WMGX2) users reported this. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I can't remember this on some global scale, I guess that it's not frequent issue. Are you sure that you don't have the power problems, not related with the monitor ? Have you tried to connect the monitor to other power outlet or use, available to buy separately, mains power filtering (spikes and noise) adapters ? Maybe you have some noise, power instability or other problems in your mains line.

I guess that this is only happening during the monitor standby, so only possible solution is that you simply turn off the monitor after usage.
 
I'm french and for this kind of purchase (power outlet) I bought it on a french website. I pay a little more money for the option of the 0 dead pixel.

Usually I buy on the Overclokers website because it is serious.

My computer is on a MGE UPS Protector and I tried both monitors at work and at home and it was buzzing when monitors were in standby.

I'm waiting for the third monitor now...and I'm a little bit worried.
 
Anybody use this monitor with their xbox 360? How clear are solid blocks of colour because I can't find a setup that doesn't show some kind of inteference :(

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Cal_G said:
The flickering you mention I have had on both monitors i have had, it only happens through the VGA and not at all through the DVI, happened with both the xbox 360 and PC via VGA connected. I also had wavy lines through VGA with both monitors but nothing at all wrong with DVI.

Sounds liek that's what I'm seeing but I never had it on my 1800FP Dell monitor
 
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hello all

after reading all 38 pages of this thread, i still want to get this monitor and still ask the same questions.

@Igor and baddass

i want this beauty but couple of things are still scaring me.

- bleeding issue in which appranetly nec sorted out but no one knows how and how you can tell the model that is affected or not?

- power noise at standby.

- reflective screen i,m looking into that by going No competitor talk please! and checking displays with glossy finish i dont know if its the same but it gives me an idea.

anyone else please comment?


thanks
 
ATI said:
- bleeding issue in which appranetly nec sorted out but no one knows how and how you can tell the model that is affected or not?

Because... you see bleed? :p

- power noise at standby.

Negative on my model captain, and I have an "early" one.

- reflective screen i,m looking into that by going No competitor talk please! and checking displays with glossy finish i dont know if its the same but it gives me an idea.

Not a problem whatsoever for me and im next to a window. :)
 
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