im sure he had a gun in his pocket and my insticts for survival took over and before i knew it he was laid out cold on the floor from a headbutt
thinking back though it could have been a gun or he might just have been happy to see me
need some advice (headbutted a member of public)
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thinking back though it could have been a gun or he might just have been happy to see me
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If he reports it, start looking for another job.
What! For self defense, I would hope he would take it to a tribunal on the grounds of unfair dismissal.
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well i've decided that walking around a car park for 5 hours per day in the rain getting verbaly and psychically abused just isnt worth £6.50 an hour.
thanks for everyones input on the matter
thanks for everyones input on the matter
Did you miss the part where the uniformed rent-a-thug was assaulted by some *****?
No I didn't, but I have many friends who are S.I.A. licenced doormen and as such have to put up with a lot worse than the OP, and yet they manage to do their jobs without the need for head-butting people.
this, you used unnecessary force and if the police get involved your gonna be raped, basic personal protection techniques would have told you to go for the shins or genitals.
You cant prove he had you by the throat, but he can prove you headbutted him as he has a bloodied nose.
ABH charge coming your way I think
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your entitled to your opinion but i have to say on my own behalf that i most certainly am not a thug.
i will however agree that headbutting someone was probably not a good idea.
but like many have suggested it was more of a split second responce to somoene with their hands around my throat.
its all very well suggesting i do this and do that from the comfort of your computer chair.
what would you do with someones hands around your throat?
smile and say "exscuse me please dont choke me" i need to call the police before you kill me?
A lot of people are basing things off the eyes of the law, but usually when you're physically attacked the last thing you think is, hmm, I wonder the procedure for this, which would look best in a court of law, ohh.. hold on, do I hit him here or here?
Sometimes things happen so fast the first thing you want to do is make sure #1 is okay, you, then how you can stop the pain by disabling the other person in the easiest/quickest/only way you can.
So effin easy to sit at a keyboard and say "should have done this and that".
However, as a security guard, when you got yourself free some restraint should have been showed and the possible outcome was that he wouldn't come back, you would have reported him and that's it.
Good idea to get that blind spot sorted too.
Sometimes things happen so fast the first thing you want to do is make sure #1 is okay, you, then how you can stop the pain by disabling the other person in the easiest/quickest/only way you can.
So effin easy to sit at a keyboard and say "should have done this and that".
However, as a security guard, when you got yourself free some restraint should have been showed and the possible outcome was that he wouldn't come back, you would have reported him and that's it.
Good idea to get that blind spot sorted too.
Perhaps if his first reaction to physical threats is to start nutting people in the face, the security business is not the one for him?
There are plenty of ways, as I mentioned before, of removing someones grip from your neck and I would have thought (hoped?) someone wishing to work in security would have at least a basic knowledge of such things.
In your OP you said you pulled away, and then head butted him?
Surely if you pulled away, you are no longer being choked and in a better position to restrain said individual and then call the cops?
I'm quite confused as to why a headbutt is so terrible? I didn't realise self defence was a gentlemans sport. You do what you do in that moment to defend yourself. If stabbing someone can be considered self defence in what possible way can a headbutt not?
I'm an SIA licenced doorman, and don't condone thuggish behaviour from anyone, especially not licenced professionals, however this doesn't sound anything like that.
I'm an SIA licenced doorman, and don't condone thuggish behaviour from anyone, especially not licenced professionals, however this doesn't sound anything like that.
Just sounds too much to me, if you got free, the first instinct would not be to headbutt someone, risking causing yourself an injury.. Hope he didn't geta few stomps after the 'butt!
End of the day, you did what you did, it wasn't the best way to handle the situation, yes its easy to sit here typing this and not being there at the time, but if you have any basic secruity training before taking this job, i'm pretty sure they wouldn't advise you wandering round nutting people who park in the wrong car parking place!
End of the day, you did what you did, it wasn't the best way to handle the situation, yes its easy to sit here typing this and not being there at the time, but if you have any basic secruity training before taking this job, i'm pretty sure they wouldn't advise you wandering round nutting people who park in the wrong car parking place!
Speaking as someone who has never been headbutted or administered a headbutt to someone else, how does the butt-er do it without causing themselves imense pain? Banging your forehead into a relatively hard surface seems to me to be less than sensible, even if its the end of someones nose. If you are going to whack someone why use your forehead particularly? Again, I am no expert.
The crucial phrase is admitting you pulled away, then headbutted the guy. That is excessive force and assault at the very least I would have thought.
The crucial phrase is admitting you pulled away, then headbutted the guy. That is excessive force and assault at the very least I would have thought.
The top of the skull is extremely strong. Less painful by far than potentially breaking your knuckles/fingers on someone's face. That being said, cheeks and nose bones are far more fragile than the bone at the top of the skull.