New 4K TV

MOOGLEYS said:
The ZT I had was by far the best all round screen I have seen. Visually I would say a modern LCD can look as good but the way the ZT handled motion I have not seen on anything else tbh. Shame it did not last very long as I would still have it and would not be replacing it for a long time.
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yes the ZT has a shaky reputation, the VT65 is far more popular, at Purwell they said ``watch out for the ZT60 it has quite a few faults, get a lower model Panny instead``..``30% of all ZTs were returned faulty, they got on our nerves in the end, i cant recommend it``..............`` we sold the last VT65 about 6 months ago, that's a far better tv to have``

my guess is the latest Sony 1080p is about the same, i have to make my mind up tomorrow, this isn't the last generation VT65 ..... It's the VT50...65'', the model before, the same year as my ST55
 
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kona786 said:
Did you even read my post?

First I was comparing your GT50 to a PZ85. Then a PZ85 to a F8000.

How much better is your GT50 to a PZ85?
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Sorry I thought you said ZT not PZ, my mistake.

It's much bigger, I owned a Z85B but it was only 42". It's got 3D, Smart, It's a lot thinner and lighter. Overall everything is better apart from the sound quality the Z85B came with a built in sound bar. Now I use an external yamaha sound bar.

Where the GT50 really shines is with newer content the Z85B had IFC which was terrible. With it off though you could only watch certain content at 24/25hz.

In terms of black levels and colours there isn't much difference. In terms of motion, speed, input lag, etc everything is a lot better.

The Z85B is a brilliant tv. The panel in it's day was superb, even today it would spank a lot of LCD's. It's aged well but it's out of date with all the newer tech.

When I hook the GT50 up to my pc. I have set my nvidia control centre to adjust output for movies and the GT50 automatically switches to cinema mode.

It's all these little things combined which make the GT50 better.

To the average person though they wouldn't see much difference apart from it's thinner, lighter and has more features. I'm intimate with both tv's and the GT50 is a lot better in some reas and in others it's only slightly better. The main thing is it is indeed clearly better.
 
I agree with you that the IQ of a good plasma is still better than a good LCD, but I will say that the difference isn't as big as you make it out to be IMO.

And then there are other areas of what make a great TV that have moved on since the old Plasma's. This include nicer UI, smart TV apps, aesthetics/TV design, USB ports etc. These thing's are all important...to me at least.
 
you cant win with Psycho Sonny because as far as he's concerned nothing is as good as his beloved GT50 :rolleyes:

he forgets to mention:- really bad Image Retention, blotches in the whites, poor brightness and colouring during the day, a buzzing noise if the screen shows too much white and finally, it's seriously starting to show its age.

the worst of these faults is Image Retention and you'll notice this after only 20 minutes as either a computer monitor, or after Gaming, it looks truly awfall, especially if the camera pans horizontally during white scenes, i can see all the Desktop icons, they're a light grey smudge.

Psyco Sonny wants to keep his tv for another 7 years :eek: but by then it'll be a dinosaur, it'll be like a CRT screen is right now.... you only have to see the old Pannys on Ebay to realise this.

a modern tv is only suppose to last about two years, because that's the way tech is nowadays, it gets old and you dump it just like your mobile phones.
 
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Well I have to be honest I never made this thread expecting there to be a large discussion around plasmas.

Should I be looking at 1080p plasmas then?

It doesn't sound like many people are fans of 4K lol...
 
Mal X said:
he forgets to mention:- really bad Image Retention, blotches in the whites, poor brightness and colouring during the day, a buzzing noise if the screen shows too much white and finally, it's seriously starting to show its age.
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Didn't have any of this on my Panny Plasma.
 
Mal X said:
a modern tv is only suppose to last about two years, because that's the way tech is nowadays, it gets old and you dump it just like your mobile phones.
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2 years?...Pffffffft.

That's user choice. I don't know anyone that doesn't hold onto their TV for at least 5 years.

Mobiles get changed out so often because a new one gets served up on plate on contract renewal and big strides are made every 2 years. Those strides take aRound 5 years on TV IMO.
 
The last time I checked the Sony W829 was the go to 1080p TV at a reasonable cost. They are end of line now so you'll have to search around and be swift :)

Come's in 42/50/55" sizes.
 
it's not just 4k that's a marketing buzz word, it's Apps as well, in fact Apps gets mentioned well before they start talking about Picture Quality, it's becoming a worrying trend...... LED is full of distracting buzz words, probably to hide LEDs faults, because with OLED the topic of conversation is about the excellent picture quality only, like it once was with the Plasma.

when you research Sony it's all about Android bla bla :(


i cant answer the question which is better 4k or 1080p, until i visit Sony centre and see a really good 1080p set up well, but what i will say is this, all the latest tech........triluminos, SUHD, advanced backlight dimming, Contrast Pro etc is only used in top end 4ks, this tech is not used in budget model 4ks or 1080p.....

the best 1080p is either the Sony or the Samsung, here's a classic Sammy 1080p but you'll need to research the latest models, the Sammy has a brilliant reputation
http://uk.shopping.yahoo.net/Samsung-UE50H6400AW-3D-Smart-2915355545/yahoouk/prices-html
 
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of course if your stupid enough to use a plasma as a pc screen you deserve image retention.

i have a lcd gaming monitor for my pc/ps4 and then i switch to the second screen GT50 for movies, basically videos.

you don't know what your talking about. why are pioneer kuros even though they are like nearly a decade old still sought after? answer me that please.

so my tv is a dinosaur after 2 years yet pioneer kuros after 5+ years aren't?

it's pretty clear you know nothing about tv's.

as for the GT50 showing it's age the only thing I can see which has aged is the smart tv which i never use much tbh. I have a pc connected to it for that or i could buy any one of the abundance of smart usb sticks out there for like £25 or use my ps4, etc.

nothing about it is dated at all apart from the smart tv apps and the GUI. but that was always panasonics weak point. samsung did smart right, but i didn't buy it for it's smart functions they are a bonus. if i wanted better smart apps i would have bought a samsung plasma but i wanted better PQ so went with panny.


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50gt50b-p50gt50-201205091797.htm

https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-gt50-tx-p50gt50b-50-inch-full-hd-3d-plasma-tv-review.282

the reviews speak for themselves.

as for looks of the tv it looks fine, i cannot see my stand due to the yamaha soundbar in front of it.

i owned the pz85B and the GT50 is a lot better, it's 4 generations newer so 4 years younger. a lot changed in those 4 years.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
of course if your stupid enough to use a plasma as a pc screen you deserve image retention.

i have a lcd gaming monitor for my pc/ps4 and then i switch to the second screen GT50 for movies, basically videos.

you don't know what your talking about. why are pioneer kuros even though they are like nearly a decade old still sought after? answer me that please.

so my tv is a dinosaur after 2 years yet pioneer kuros after 5+ years aren't?

it's pretty clear you know nothing about tv's.

as for the GT50 showing it's age the only thing I can see which has aged is the smart tv which i never use much tbh. I have a pc connected to it for that or i could buy any one of the abundance of smart usb sticks out there for like £25 or use my ps4, etc.

nothing about it is dated at all apart from the smart tv apps and the GUI. but that was always panasonics weak point. samsung did smart right, but i didn't buy it for it's smart functions they are a bonus. if i wanted better smart apps i would have bought a samsung plasma but i wanted better PQ so went with panny.


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50gt50b-p50gt50-201205091797.htm

https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-gt50-tx-p50gt50b-50-inch-full-hd-3d-plasma-tv-review.282

the reviews speak for themselves.

as for looks of the tv it looks fine, i cannot see my stand due to the yamaha soundbar in front of it.
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the pioneer Kuro isn't sort after :eek: it goes for sod all on ebay, those guys are dumping their Kuros to get an OLED instead !!! and the Plasma guys are also dumping their ZT60s and VT65s to get the OLED as well, it's all over AV Forum, but they'd much rather have the 65'' flat.

5 years ago... you're talking about 7 years from now, when the leap in tech will be far greater than the past 5 years, it's about to explode into life with 4K OLED and maybe even Laser Projection/ 8k..

LG are making an OLED tv right now that will wrap up and fit inside your pocket, they've also got a semi transparent OLED, an OLED tv that will change shape via your remote, this is Star Wars stuff, as i said before, your tv will be a dinosaur in 7 years as will 1080p, face it because it's pretty damned obvious..

LG are dumping LEDs at the end of this year and are switching to OLED production only, followed by Panasonic, the Chinese and then all the rest, can you imagine what it'll be like
 
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Psycho Sonny said:
if it isn't sought after then explain how a tv that is 7 years old commands up to £1000 for it?

i sold my 5 year old pz85b for £130 in comparison
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£1000 quid isn't that much, compared to its original price and the same goes for a ZT60 at only £1800 ( brought originally at Xmas) now lets have a look at yours ;-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Panasonic...305?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf97b0729

that's been on sale for ages, but it's too expensive or it would have sold a week ago......... that's worth about £650.

i'm not insulting you, but i'm definitely saying that you're living on a ``dead legend`` , yes of course it's a great tv but you have to face the fact that it's old technology.....getting older by the year............ but next year it will look really old as will all these LEDs too....dont get so uptight and cross about it

e.g the Panasonic reference OLED is due out in September maybe and it's supposed to be the next Kuro,
 
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you just proved my point for me.

the Kuro even though it is 7+ years old is still more expensive than a GT50 which is only 2-3 years old.

why would anyone pay £1000 for a dinosaur? It's still one of the best tv's you can buy that's why.

as for the GT50 I don't care how much it's worth. I care what is better than it brand new.

If it's only worth £650 show me a brand new tv which costs less than £1000 which is better than it. Key word being brand new here because I paid £799 for my brand new GT50.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/tv-shootout-in-leeds-my-thoughts.1883308/

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/result-201406013793.htm

these prove plasma wipes the floor with LCD
 
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you're not understanding a damn thing i'm saying, i'm not saying your tv is krap, exactly the opposite, i'm saying it will be very outdated in 7 years time.

forget these damned LEDs why dont you think i havent brought one, i'm the same as you, i dont trust them, but i want a bigger screen so i cant help it.

it's the OLED/ Laser that will end all of this that we know, it's starting already, KURO/VT65'' are still the kings right now, because OLED hasn't taken off yet..

now you're asking me a good question, what is better than your GT50 at less than a grand or much more............ the answer is very easy:-

sod all, for much more money it's only OLED, but definitely not the SUHD
 
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I have had Plasma screens and an OLED and tbh I'm not seeing the issue with LCD's tbh. I'm more happy with my current Samsung LCD than I was with the LG OLED or Sony 4K ones I had for a while. The picture and motion to me are fantastic.
 
1) Panasonic ZT plasma is the best buy overall.

2) LG OLED showed the best pictures by a significant margin, but the technology isn’t mature yet.

3) Amongst 4K TVs, I thought Samsung flat was the best, due to screen uniformity, accurate rendition of whites and better motion control. It was better than the curved due to screen uniformity. Also, the reflection on the curved Samsung is far more distracting that the flat TVs.

that Sammy flat gets mentioned quite a lot UE65HU7500, but you'd need to take care that you dont get a duff one, but it's close enough to a Panny to be ok......................they also said it upscales 1080p really well

we need to see many more reviews like this
 
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