New Star Trek series - 2017

11 was s**** and what a joke, disappointment, that is the source of the burn.

ep 12 later...

i think what grinds me is the non episodic nature of the show the ongoing story isnt resolved in a manner of a whole series. Well maybe 12 will prove me wrong and it'll be good.
 
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That was a great episode, had a bit of everything and then that ending... that took the Trek right out of it for me. Didn't feel that was necessary at all.

On the fence about the ending atm! It reminded me of Wall-E/The Black Hole Disney movie robots, did the robots also do the Vulcan salute? Looked like it, lol. The robots just looked so out of place, but we'll see where it goes.

Yippee Ki Yay Micheal Burnham

Lol :)

A lot to wrap up next week!
 
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shame the series isn't about a journey and discovering what's out there.

it's similar to some weird marvel superhero formula right now imo
 
Haven't read much on this thread for this season as was very far behind - all caught up now.

I used to give this show a lot of slack but there are just so many things wrong with it. Hard to know where to begin. I love that Star Trek has always blazed a trail for social issues. It used to handle them brilliantly and usually with subtlety. Interwoven with the story or the species of the week being a reflection of the real world. Not so know - it's like they've pried our jaws open and are shoving it down our throats.
Leaving aside all the non binary and trans stuff which is it's own topic... Adira is now Stamets and the Doctors adopted kid? Did anyone stop to tell the doc and/or Adira. No wonder they both decided to shoot off to the planet where they'll die horribly of radiation within 4 hours.

The crew (and that's all I can call them, couldn't tell you any of their names) are all one dimensional and for want of a better word, a bit pathetic. Seriously, it's waterworks everytime anything happens. Enterprise D had a counsellor with Troi. I think she'd demand a transfer within 1 day of being on that ship. If any of them happen to get a bit of development it's because they're being setup to be killed.

There is also very little logic in what's going on - either in the world building or plots. So Earth has hidden itself away from, it turned out other humans in the outer solar system?!?! wtf? So is Starfleet now using the dilithium Discovery brought with it or is it all still hidden on books ship for some reason? Or are they still using slower methods of ftl? Do they ever use warp drives? bah

In the last episode the conversation when the admiral found out Discovery was hijacked should have gone like this:
Sir, Discovery, the most important strategic asset we have has been taken by the Green chaps!
Damn, do we know where it's been taken ensign?
Yes sir, look out that window over there. There she is.
Erm... why haven't we overpowered her shields with the whole fleet of more powerful ships we have here?
Oh, they're holding the crew captive sir!
Oh really, how many of them left after the battle?
Battle sir?
Yes, how many survived after their ship was boarded and their resistance failed?
Oh, all of them sir.
All?
Yeah, actually sensors show not a shot was fired. No injuries either. Our new sensors show that emotionally they're all devastated though sir. Actually, they showed that before the hijacking too.
Ensign, open fire. Don't stop until you run out of torpedoes.
 
This thread actually makes me look forward to watching the show its brilliant. That's the thread the show itself is a screaming turd of kill me now.
 
For a brief moment in time, Star Trek was very good indeed. I think season 3-4 maybe some of 5 of TNG. (I also, as a guilty pleasure, quite like Voyager) I think people still watch it now because of what came before, not this drivel of a turd which has been pinched out of the arse of Alex Kurtzman. I think a lot of casual fans have left and only the hard core or those hopelessly optimistic that it might improve (me) end up watching the first few mins or so and then either mentally or physically switching it off.
 
The crew (and that's all I can call them, couldn't tell you any of their names) are all one dimensional and for want of a better word, a bit pathetic. Seriously, it's waterworks everytime anything happens. Enterprise D had a counsellor with Troi. I think she'd demand a transfer within 1 day of being on that ship. If any of them happen to get a bit of development it's because they're being setup to be killed.

Thats because we are now in the age where emotions are the most important thing. Not logic, not reason, not compassion, not understanding, just emotions.

That seems to have lead to shows with weak writers trying to make us emotionally connect with characters by constantly having them wear their emotions on their sleeves and with 0 depth or subtlety. I think the robot devil put it rather well in Futurama.


You have to care about a character before you can care about their emotions. You don't care about them because they are emotive, you care about them because they are likeable or stoic or brave etc and then you see their vulnerability. Its all just so on the nose in Star Trek that its painful.

You watch the mandalorian and you know how much he cares for baby yoda through his actions. Hell, there is more genuine emotion conveyed in one scene when Grogo is gone and he is alone in the cockpit with the little knob he used to love than the entire season of Star Trek and he wears a ******* helmet the whole time.

Burnhams "empathy" face that she deploys at every opportunity makes me unreasonably angry. She has the acting range of an orange.
 
I’ve enjoyed previous seasons and the premise of this season. This season has been dire, I’ve struggled to watch it. It’s a shame because the budget seems high, but it’s so ridiculously woke, poorly written with hollow uninteresting characters. Michael saying saru is too emotional and acts on impulse was the absolute icing on the cake of shocking writing. The acting captain, I figured the ship was doomed from the start.
 
I’ve enjoyed previous seasons and the premise of this season. This season has been dire, I’ve struggled to watch it. It’s a shame because the budget seems high, but it’s so ridiculously woke, poorly written with hollow uninteresting characters. Michael saying saru is too emotional and acts on impulse was the absolute icing on the cake of shocking writing. The acting captain, I figured the ship was doomed from the start.

I thought the previous seasons were decent enough as well. There were serious issues and weak points but I could forgive those. This season has just been a mess.

I do enjoy every character deciding when to break the rules and completely ignore their training, chain of command etc only to admonish someone else for doing the same thing next episode. Its just a free for all.

I was just saying to a mate that despite the general crap the CGI is top notch. Maybe the people in charge of wonderwoman 1984 will hire them for the next film and it won't be so awful.
 
3x13 - That Hope Is You, Part 2

1) As I noted last time out, this episode wasn't originally called this. All season long the opening episode has been sat there without a part 2 until recently.
2) Pointless gripe about pointless recap as said pointless recap drones on. Pointlessly.
3) It amuses me how they just painted a few glowy lines on the USS Discoball and suddenly it perfectly fitted the aesthetic of the 32nd century. It's almost as if it was a wildly anachronistic design for the 2250s...
4) Sorry. Not 'amuses'. The other one. 'Makes my blood boil at the disrespect shown to the roots of the franchise'. Yeah, that's the one.
5) Well, there's two and a half minutes of my life that I'll never get back.
6) Back on the Khi'eth in the Verubin nebula.
7) Cruz and Jones acting their hearts out, I'll give them that.
8) Enter Adira. Who the holo world has rendered as a different alien in fetching blue makeup.
9) And Gray rendered as a Vulcan (but retaining his hair colour). Who Saru and Culber can now see (!).
10) Which raises more questions about Gray's nature.
11) Saru better have some kind of plan here.
12) Meanwhile at Fed HQ the makers of the show got bored with all that wholesomeness, so we're back to space battles.
13) Vance directing traffic.
14) And delivering Important Lines™ about how if Osyraa leaves with the spore drive the Federation is finally doomed.
15) Bet they wish they hadn't brought the Discoball up to 32nd century standards now. For anyone wondering why they don't just use the prefix code - Osyraa probably removed it when her team did the computer reformat.
16) Laser beams! Explosions! Excitement?
17) Boredom.
18) Gotta hand it to the VFX team. They can really do this sort of gig. Hell, it was about the only decent thing about the Season 2 finale.
19) Burnham getting dragged onto the bridge.
20) Witless dialogue.
21) Reports coming through to the bridge that the crew are advancing. SMG winds up for a big hit and..."What can I say, we are Starfleet." Swing and a miss! Who wrote this? :rolleyes:
22) Episode made me pause there. So, this one was written by Michelle Paradise who is a co-showrunner on STD alongside Kurtzman. Colour me entirely unsurprised.
23) Corridor firefight with the bridge bunnies. The cute robots ending up as cannon fodder :( How very...Star Wars prequel.
24) Ramp up the tension a notch by turning life support off to that deck.
25) Though quite why doing so would make the air evacuate is beyond me, that's not something that's ever been shown to happen in Trek before. Not even with Cardassian tech.
26) Oh, okay, so they opened the vents as well. To let the air out slowly, because Evil People Doing Evil Stuff For The Evilz™.
27) Stamets still trying desperately to go save Culber and Adira. Vance, not without sympathy, shooting the idea down.
28) Ni'Var has sent help. And at maximum warp speed no less.
29) Osyraa ordering the use of space pesticides :rolleyes:
30) As Burnham and Osyraa's back-and-forth drones on, I'm wondering if this is the longest STD has gone before showing the opening credits before. Almost past 11 minutes now.
31) Because wondering about that is 4903.18% more interesting than this dialogue.
32) Lord is this stupid. And because of the pathological need to make Burnham the hero, Vance now gets to hold the Idiot Ball™.
33) Intro theme and opening credits. So far, so terrible. At least at the Discoball end of things. Just a sea of bad acting, characters doing stupid things for stupid reasons, and terrible dialogue.
34) Focus back to the Khi'eth. Thankfully.
35) Saru attempting to get through to Su'kal by following Culber's advice.
36) And all too quickly we're back on the Discoball. Zareh arguing with Aurellio about being allowed to Do Evil Stuff For The Evilz™.
37) Witless dialogue ensues. Though Ken Mitchell really is trying, bless him. It's a pity he's surround by crap actors playing crap characters.
38) Bond villain stupidity from Osyraa, choking Aurellio into unconsciousness.
39) Saru still working on Su'Kal.
40) Exposition, of sorts.
41) Maybe getting somewhere.
42) Evil People Still Doing Stuff For The Evilz™. Pausing another moment. It can't be just me that is entirely bored of this? It's not an interesting plot point. It doesn't make for exciting television. It's just a boring, very overused trope.
43) Witless dialogue, again. Counting down to the plot non-twist in three...two...oops, beat the count. Though I figured it would be one of the SW-esque robots, TBH.
44) And thus the villains are outsmarted by the single least intelligent lifeform ever seen in the Trek universe. Nice job Osyraa. *slowclap* :rolleyes:
45) There's that cavernous shot of the Discoball's innards again.
46) Bridge bunnies working on life support.
47) Exposition from Owosekun. Nice that they're finally getting around to fleshing these characters out after three whole seasons.
48) Burnham getting a message through to Tilly.
49) Oh, spiffing plan. Set off a bomb in nacelle country. Ingenious.
50) I believe that bit was already spoiled in last week's trailer for this episode.
51) Su'Kal is back.
52) Doug Jones is truly wasted on this series.
53) Back to the nature of Gray a second, who says that he's not corporeal so won't be harmed by the radiation if he goes through the holo edge. Wonder if they're going to get around to explaining Gray at all?
54) Medical Treknobabble from Culber to explain how Su'Kal could cause the Burn.
55) Exposition.
56) And there we have it. Su'Kal got his genetic code mutated by the radiation in the nebula, became one with the dilithium, then one day in 3069 he suffered a shock that made him trigger the Burn (his mother dying, presumably). Leaving anyone watching to scratch their heads and wonder "is that the best the writers could come up with???" :rolleyes:
57) A bit more exposition.
58) Back with the bridge bunnies. Time is running out. Owosekun the only one doing remotely okay.
59) So she's going to waste time standing there saying how much she loves them.
60) Burnham and Book still doing Die Hard On A Spaceship.
61) Again with the cavernous interior of the Discoball.
62) Riffing on parts of the chase sequence in Attack Of The Clones now.
63) Yes, of course Burnham would be completely capable of doing that having not long go gotten quite a serious leg wound that has barely seen any medical attention yet.
64) Owo's made it to the nacelle.
65) Cute robot/Zora controlling cute robot imploring her to stand.
66) Boom. Here's where the advert break would be on network television.
67) We're back from adverts as the Discoball falls out of warp.
68) And is promptly tractored into the Veridian. Which presumably will jump straight to warp again, thus barely costing the Emerald Chain bad guys any time at all?
69) :rolleyes:
70) Zareh makes the mistake of threatening Grudge, and is promptly and unceremoniously kicked into one hell of a fall. Kirk did it better to Kruge on the Genesis planet.
71) And there goes Osyraa. Along with a one-liner from Burnham that's just a bit too earnest and played just a bit too straight to work.
72) Burnham reformatting the computer.
73) And is crying at her success. Because of course she is.
74) The cute robot saved Owo at the cost of itself :(
75) Bridge bunnies having a joyful reunion. I still think Owo and Detmer are boinking.
76) Oh, Jesus. Here we go for Burnham getting the captaincy at last, bet you dollars to donuts. Her first act? Blow up the warp core.
77) Book can run the spore drive. Because of course he can.
78) Meanwhile on the Khi'eth...
79) Poignancy from Gray.
80) For those of us who weren't here already forever ago, his mother dying was indeed what triggered him to trigger the Burn. Thus destroying the Federation.
81) Back to the Discoball. Black alert.
82) Warp core go boom. Veridian go boom with it. After some fake jeopardy of Book being slow to jump the ship.
83) Recording of Issa telling Su'Kal's rescuers to take him to his homeworld. What are the odds of Saru going with him to free up the captaincy for Burnham?
84) Su'Kal realising that he caused the Burn. Poor bugger.
85) The Khi'eth coming apart at the seams.
86) Here comes the cavalry.
87) Day saved.
88) Hey, they finally closed the big door at the back of the Discoball!
89) Burnham voiceover wanging on.
90) Stamets clearly still quite angry with her though. So at least she's got some kind of consequence to face out of all this.
91) Reno getting the cute robot going again for Owo :)
92) Seeds of the Federation recovery.
93) Saru returning to Kaminar. Called it at 83)!
94) The return of Sahil as a bookend.
95) Vance getting ready to promote Burnham to captain :(
96) God damn it all :rolleyes:
97) I would very much like the makers of this show to **** right off.
98) Everyone gets their new uniforms.
99) And the adventure, such as it is, continues. With the Discoball reduced to the status of freighter, delivering dilithium to various parts of the quadrants to help rebuild the Federation :p
100) The Courage fanfare, the Gene quote, then the Courage theme...nice try STD showrunners, but no.

The episode

Sucked.

The season

Good in some places, sucked in most others.

Review done.

What? Yeah, I just did-...no, bu-...fine, fine. I'll "do it properly" then.

*ahem*

The episode

First, the good. VFX work was exceptional, with a caveat that I'm gonna return to¹. Some of the guest cast were great (Ken Mitchell as Aurellio, Bill Irwin as Su'Kal to name two). The bridge bunnies got some stuff to do, particularly Owosekun. Doug Jones was brilliant, as he has been pretty much all season long. So was Wilson Cruz.

And then things fall apart. Fleshing out of Osyraa's motives for wanting the spore drive continued to fail to materialise, and she remained a completely uncompelling villain. Zareh as well. All he got to do was toss off a few attempts at villainous wit, torture Book and then get into a fistfight with him later in a moving turbolift car that he was thrown out of to his death. That neither of them survived the episode is both entirely unsurprising and a good thing. I've seen Osyraa described elsewhere on t'internet as a discount version of Seska (the closest thing Voyager had to a villain who was in any way a threat early on). Fitting, because Seska was a pretty rubbish villainous character as well.

SMG continued to murder every scene she was in, but the story continued the inexorable grind to elevate Burnham to God level so not only did she get to save the day (...ish, I could make the case that Owo was actually the hero of the piece) but now she's the captain of the Discoball.

'Woo'.

:rolleyes:

Again, a plot twist telegraphed with all the subtlety and delicate touch of a DS9-era Klingon boarding party. Much like the non-twist of the event that made Su'Kal trigger the Burn being the death of his mother, or the non-twist that Saru was going to accompany him to Kaminar. Will this series ever learn? All signs point to 'noooooope'.

Away from the story and cast the return of our old friend ShakyCam™ was an unwelcome non-surprise, but at least the weirdo camera angles that came along with it were situationally appropriate. Pacing wasn't bad - possibly helped by this episode being an hour long, possibly helped by Olatunde Osunsanmi glancing over Frakes' shoulder earlier in the year and wondering 'huh...maybe I could do that'. Better late than not at all is what I say.

The season

This finale apparently had to do several things:
  1. Resolve the mystery of the Burn
  2. Begin the rebuild of the Federation
  3. Put Burnham in the captain's chair
And yeah, it hit those plot points. But let's look a little closer at them.

1) Resolve the mystery of the Burn. Yes, we're sort-of told how it happened - radiation affected Su'Kal, linked him to the vast quantity of dilithium on the planet, when he screamed after his mother died it set off a reaction that made nearly all the dilithium in the known galaxy lose the ability to regulate the reaction of matter and antimatter in warp cores. But lots of stuff is unresolved. Why did some dilithium survive intact? How did the subspace relays get affected when they have nothing to do with dilithium? How come the Romulans forgot about quantum singularities? How come the Federation - 1000 years after humanity first got warp drive working (without access to dilithium, I might add) and even longer after other races had it - had never developed anything safer as a power source by the year 3069? Oh sure, SB-19 was apparently being worked on as a warp drive replacement - but nothing before that? Puh-leeze...
2) Begin the rebuild of the Federation. And credit where it's due, they haven't rushed at this being all resolved neat 'n' tidy with a pretty bow on top. The Trill have re-joined. Ni'Var are considering it. And other worlds will consider it in time once the Federation makes contact with them again. They hit exactly the right note here IMO.
3) Put Burnham in the captain's chair.

*sigh*

The message here seems to be "yes, you're a former mutineer who is wilfully insubordinate at times and certainly can't be trusted to keep command in the loop of what you're planning...but it mostly worked out okay...so, here's a starship, go nuts"? And I'm not sure that's even remotely satisfactory.

Aaaaaaaaaanyway...

I noted earlier in the season that the jump to the future should free the showrunners up to make the Trek show that they want to, no longer bound by bothersome things like continuity. And if this is genuinely the show that they wanted to make, then...hmm. I'm not going to completely condemn it, because the season was only 13 episodes of varying lengths and I did actually find things to like throughout.

But damn it all...stop with the plot non-twists, stop with the villains who have no motivation beyond Doing Evil Stuff For The Evilz™, stop with the complexity addiction from the writers and for the love of God send SMG to acting classes. She was at least not whispering quite so much in this one but hot damn has she been lousy this season :rolleyes:

On a more productive tack - if they keep doing what they've latterly been doing and flesh out the bridge bunnies then that'll be good, also good is the little family unit being formed by Stamets, Culber and Adira, Oded Fehr's Vance has been a welcome addition to the roster and the showrunners have now built the bones of a universe to add to next season and beyond.

Other oddities and musings:

  1. Gray. The holo matrix on the Khi'eth could see him? And make him visible to others? Just how powerful is that tech, and could it be replicated to give Gray some kind of meaningful form?
  2. Burnham has at least one person onboard who isn't madly in love with her. Going to be interesting to see if the writers can figure out a way to fix the relationship between her and Stamets that doesn't head straight for Mary Sue territory.
  3. Book can run the spore drive because of his 'one with nature' deal in his genes. So, how many others are like him out there? How quickly can Starfleet and the Federation get them safe from the Emerald Chain if they manage to rebuild? And can Starfleet now replicate the spore drive if Book and those like him can do what Stamets does?
  4. They ever going to explain why the Discoball in "Calypso" looks like it did in the 2250s, and not like it does now with the glowy blue lines and detached nacelles and the different registry?

¹ - said I would return to this. It's not really a complaint about the quality of the VFX as such, more what it was that they were rendering. In this case, the interior of the Discoball and the turbolift network which make no sense whatsoever. First, the sheer amount of utterly wasted space inside a starship - who the hell would build a spacecraft that way??? Second, the pretty wild lack of safety features in it all. No OSHA compliance here! Third, the size of the thing - is it genuinely believable that this interior fits inside this ship? When we saw the Discoball together with the notEnterprise at the end of last season they were vaguely comparable in size. The real Enterprise NCC-1701 no bloody A, B, C, D or E as seen in TOS was 289m long. STD showrunners admitted to scaling the ship up a bit to fit their vision of the Trek universe :rolleyes:, but only by a factor of 1.5. So at most the Discoball is in the region of 450m long. And on the outside it doesn't look all that voluminous - a lot of the back end is shuttlebay, the saucer is divided into rings with quite the gap between them...I'd love to see a proper Mike Okuda style cross-section display for it.
 
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Well I did enjoy the finale. The show is definitely still on the up.

I do wish though they would stop with the cavernous left shafts. I mean where is all the space meant to fit in the ship?? How is there still room for decks and Jeffrey tubes? Surely there is only a meter or two between decks but the huge empty space makes it look like the ruddy TARDIS with hundreds of meters between decks and even rooms on decks. How did they even, on deck 5 might I add manage to just walk along a corridor a d enter the nacelle?? That just makes no sense what so ever.

also when ejecting the warp core. They don't seem to actually having a proper engineering deck. The warp core seemed to be in that huge empty void that can't possibly exist. It then fell through a HUGE massive tube that was at least 5-6 decks or more. Yet that part of the ship is only a few deck deep at most. They need to get an actual classic Trek ship designer back to do it properly.
 
I do wish though they would stop with the cavernous left shafts. I mean where is all the space meant to fit in the ship?? How is there still room for decks and Jeffrey tubes? Surely there is only a meter or two between decks but the huge empty space makes it look like the ruddy TARDIS with hundreds of meters between decks and even rooms on decks. How did they even, on deck 5 might I add manage to just walk along a corridor a d enter the nacelle?? That just makes no sense what so ever.

also when ejecting the warp core. They don't seem to actually having a proper engineering deck. The warp core seemed to be in that huge empty void that can't possibly exist. It then fell through a HUGE massive tube that was at least 5-6 decks or more. Yet that part of the ship is only a few deck deep at most. They need to get an actual classic Trek ship designer back to do it properly.

I can't imagine Rick Sternbach or Mike Okuda making as many fundamental errors or choices that simply don't make sense even with something that was designed just to be a ship of the week. They put a great deal of effort, like Matt Jefferies and Andy Probert before them, to make their designs work.
 
I can't imagine Rick Sternbach or Mike Okuda making as many fundamental errors or choices that simply don't make sense even with something that was designed just to be a ship of the week. They put a great deal of effort, like Matt Jefferies and Andy Probert before them, to make their designs work.
if you look at the ship plan thing on the bridge or elsewhere on the ship, which shows the decks the cavernous space simply cannot exist. Its like the turbo lifts and 'shafts' exist in a totally different dimension. In every other Trek show and classic movies. Lift shafts are exactly that. Crew were seen climbing them before. Disco just made a huge mistake with it one time and decided just to go with it.

they probably thought it looked 'cool' even though its impossible
 
Well, that final episode was very hard work to get through. My optimism has now completely failed me. The cringe was on maximum settings, especially in the last 10-15 minutes. I'm not too sure about the rest of the episode as I had to skip most of it as it was annoying me far more than I thought it would.
It started with what can only be described as a child's cartoon show with cutesy robots. I had to skip through it, to then see the standard type of story with the least threatening and intimidating villains. What happened to baddies like The Borg? Not this laughable wicked witch from The Wizard of Oz. It had to be skipped.
The crew of the Discovery, I just don't care about any of them. Everything about it feels forced. They try and force sentimentality by making long drawn out speeches which I find best to skip. I can hardly name any of the characters who I could give name to and those I can, are just dreadful like podge, salmon fillet man and I particularly dislike the shoehorned in Trill story elements. It almost feels like it was made by the BBC. I was clinging on but that's me out now. Until they get new show runners, actors and writers, I will be giving up on Star Trek as something I watch and look forward to. I can't stomach another series of this or that rancid liquid faecal bowel movement which was Picard.

Also the filming has something to be desired. Lots of shots starting inverted and then spinning around, why? What's with all the Dutch angles? Are they trying to make it seem all fast paced and flashy? It's gets a bit like a ride on a rollercoaster and they tend to make me want to vomit, much like this.
 
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Also the filming has something to be desired. Lots of shots starting inverted and then spinning around, why? What's with all the Dutch angles? Are they trying to make it seem all fast paced and flashy? It's gets a bit like a ride on a rollercoaster and they tend to make me want to vomit, much like this.

Trying to make something utterly dull appear to be exciting.
 
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