Man of Honour
I said Clinicians, not just Dr's.
A clinician is a health care professional who works as a caregiver of a patient in a hospital, skilled nursing facility, clinic, or patient's home.
NHS=Negligent Health Service
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I said Clinicians, not just Dr's.
A clinician is a health care professional who works as a caregiver of a patient in a hospital, skilled nursing facility, clinic, or patient's home.
Caporegime
Which is nonsense. Much like the suggestion Doctor's are only in it for the money and should work for minimum wage if they cared about patients.
How's it going today?
Caporegime
Except its not. If doctors cared so much about patients, then as I've said they'd forgo extra money so that it could be reinvested in patient care, they wouldn't complain about having to work a full week during a global pandemic. They wouldn't work only one day a week when they're perfectly capable of working more - remember there's a shortage of doctors and a great big backlog of patients.
They'd certainly never work for private health care providers and would stick with the NHS or charitable organisations.
Caporegime
This is just a nonsense argument. Everyone has to consider the balance when choosing their career, financial reward/hours/intensity etc. It's not black and white - oh you're bright, driven and talented and you want to help people? Work 24hrs a week for minimum wage sucker!
Doctors make the same balance as with any other career.
There's plenty of talented caring people that wouldn't do medicine if it was a minimum wage job. Shockingly I like my kids to be fed, clothed, and go on holiday. I like to be able to afford my hobbies outside work and have time to do them. Suggesting people don't care about patients because they won't work minimum wage is drivel.
Caporegime
I'm suggesting the patient isn't their number 1 priority. You've just confirmed that.
That proves the point that I made to sgf that these people aren't some sort of heroes there to help anyone and everyone.
Soldato
There's a difference between something being a top priority in a job and it being your only priority. Always going to be some sort of balance.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue at this point? That healthcare staff don't really care about patients because they get paid? I think you've got yourself in a bit of a twist.
Permabanned
These overworked and allegedly under paid GP's seem very reticent to publish how many patients they are now seeing face to face whilst our minimum wage stalwarts in supermarkets and shops made sure we were not eating rats and worms, even at the peak of the pandemic when little was known about the dangers. Our newly built state of the art surgery appears to have stopped face to face appointments altogether and the site now looks all but deserted. Sick patients have to find a means of getting ten miles away to a surgery in another town, even for something like a basic blood test. Even then my wife had to use her prodigious skills in being argumentative to insist on even an out of town face to face...
Apparently requests for comments by a local newspaper have gone unanswered.
From The Guardian :
GPs in England have voted in favour of taking limited forms of industrial action to protest against the government’s drive to force them to see patients face to face.
The results led the profession’s new leader to warn ministers that “demoralised, broken and exhausted” family doctors may refuse to undertake some normal duties to show their anger.
Four in five (80%) of the GPs who voted in an indicative ballot organised by the British Medical Association backed the withholding of information about how they hold appointments, as dispute over GP appointments deepens
Even more (84%) indicated their willingness to refuse to comply with the issuing of Covid-19 exemption certificates, which those who remain unvaccinated on medical grounds may need, for example, to work in a care home, where vaccination for staff is mandatory.
“The results of the indicative ballot show that the profession has had enough. Relationships are broken and trust has been lost,” said Dr Farah Jameel, the new chair of the BMA’s GP committee (GPC).
“Ultimately we don’t want to have to take action – we want to see action,” she added, in a plea to the health secretary, Sajid Javid, to do more to reduce GPs’ huge workloads.
A smaller majority (58%) said they would support their GP practice withdrawing from their local primary care network’s directed enhanced service, which could mean GPs scaling back visits to care homes, for example.
These lot need a kick where it really hurts, in their fat wallets.
Apparently requests for comments by a local newspaper have gone unanswered.
From The Guardian :
GPs in England have voted in favour of taking limited forms of industrial action to protest against the government’s drive to force them to see patients face to face.
The results led the profession’s new leader to warn ministers that “demoralised, broken and exhausted” family doctors may refuse to undertake some normal duties to show their anger.
Four in five (80%) of the GPs who voted in an indicative ballot organised by the British Medical Association backed the withholding of information about how they hold appointments, as dispute over GP appointments deepens
Even more (84%) indicated their willingness to refuse to comply with the issuing of Covid-19 exemption certificates, which those who remain unvaccinated on medical grounds may need, for example, to work in a care home, where vaccination for staff is mandatory.
“The results of the indicative ballot show that the profession has had enough. Relationships are broken and trust has been lost,” said Dr Farah Jameel, the new chair of the BMA’s GP committee (GPC).
“Ultimately we don’t want to have to take action – we want to see action,” she added, in a plea to the health secretary, Sajid Javid, to do more to reduce GPs’ huge workloads.
A smaller majority (58%) said they would support their GP practice withdrawing from their local primary care network’s directed enhanced service, which could mean GPs scaling back visits to care homes, for example.
These lot need a kick where it really hurts, in their fat wallets.
Caporegime
I'm arguing that they aren't willing to help someone just because.
Man of Honour
I think it's that they only care if they would do it for minimum wage or less.
I haven't come across one case in 12 years where medical staff who have been abused haven't wanted to continue the patients care and not because Matron told them they had to or because they were on £25,000 to £?
Complete and utter nonsense.
Cant believe
Still in bed today mostly. Seems better if im off my feet. Havent used the computer yet so will get round to it to get the details up so armchair doctors can chime in on my options.
If suitable for you, try and keep a bit of movement and move normally. As soon as I caved in to the order to stop moving, stiffness in the back and compensating once I was aloud to move again made my spine injury last year a lot more uncomfortable. Fortunately I was able to get onto physio very quickly and they helped guide me right.
Caporegime
Strange they sent you for ED for that. What a waste of your time. Clearly a Friday afternoon "let's bin this on someone else" job.
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Permabanned
Never have a need to be investigated at, or admitted to hospital from midday Friday to late morning Monday... Golf and mistresses are not to be interrupted 
Caporegime
Golf and mistresses are not to be interrupted
If only!
Permabanned
But you don't play golf.... 
Man of Honour
but even I'll admit there's a bit of truth in it
In Feb I was ready to go home on Saturday but had to wait until Monday.
I don't think weekend discharges happen at our hospital.
Caporegime
We'd be drowning in hours if we didn't discharge at the weekend!but even I'll admit there's a bit of truth in it
In Feb I was ready to go home on Saturday but had to wait until Monday.
I don't think weekend discharges happen at our hospital.
Permabanned
Of course there's truth in it, human nature and their weekends "rule". That's why i am wary of using the chain saw or other potentially hospitalising machines at the weekend. Motorsport was kind of OK, as the bigger tracks had on site medical facilities with someone hopefully half competent in their usage hanging around (although likely in the bar).
I know some bloody good doctors, I've met some total *******
I know some bloody good doctors, I've met some total *******