NHS=Negligent Health Service

BowdonUK said:
I'm not sure why GP's are being mentioned in the NHS thread. Aren't they sub-contractors and not officially part of the NHS?
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GPs are part of the NHS - along with community services such as social care etc they are called primary care providers. hospitals are secondary care. you dont go to hospital for niggles, you go to GP and get referral or your carer can make referral if it is within their remit.

effectively GPs are NHS's siff, filtering out various categories of patients needing different kind of treatment/diagnostics/hospitalisation.

the fact that each GP surgery is a business entity or part of a wider federation and is paid by NHS as a sub-contractor doesnt exclude them from being part of NHS. just becuase something has fianncial independance doesnt mean they are not part of that wider service provider.

as an example locum doctors work in hospitals, they are contractors and they are still part of NHS.

many NHS trusts employ armies of contractors (extremely expensive) and they all provide care or services to the trust in one form or anther and they are all part of the NHS. hospital doctors and nurses on PAYE are not the only ones servign NHS. Clearners, porters, security staff, admin, etc etc...
 
Pez said:
This is a sad tale, but I wanted to flag a few things:

1) Arriving at A&E by ambulance does not get you seen any quicker. Patients are triaged the same way either as walk in or via a crew, unless alerted for something.

2) If his results from the lab showed high blood glucose and it was ignored, you should 100% contact PALS to complain.

3) Seems like the GP knows he's messed up, and now doesn't want direct contact as likely fears MedNeg action - Shocking.

I hope you're Dad (and family) are on the right track now :)
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thanks for the well wish. since he s been put on the meds again, his physical condition has gotten loads better. but unfortuantely the brain damage is done so he has basically symptoms of late stage dementia and requires my mum to be with him 24/7 and needs to be accompanied at all the time. he s oblivous to his plight. some days he knows who i am and other days he just look at me like a frightened cat cos he thinks he knows me but doesnt know who i am. it is sad on those days.

lastly, can i ask what is PALS?
 
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Is it time to admit tye NHS just isn't worth it.

Private healthcare must be better than the crap service you get on the NHS. Sitting for hours and hours just to see someone and I'm not talking about a&e I mean when you have an actual appointment
 
LabR@t said:
Is it time to admit tye NHS just isn't worth it.

Private healthcare must be better than the crap service you get on the NHS. Sitting for hours and hours just to see someone and I'm not talking about a&e I mean when you have an actual appointment
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Well thats the plan, systematically destroy it so it can be sold off.
 
pc-guy said:
GPs are part of the NHS - along with community services such as social care etc they are called primary care providers. hospitals are secondary care. you dont go to hospital for niggles, you go to GP and get referral or your carer can make referral if it is within their remit.

effectively GPs are NHS's siff, filtering out various categories of patients needing different kind of treatment/diagnostics/hospitalisation.

the fact that each GP surgery is a business entity or part of a wider federation and is paid by NHS as a sub-contractor doesnt exclude them from being part of NHS. just becuase something has fianncial independance doesnt mean they are not part of that wider service provider.

as an example locum doctors work in hospitals, they are contractors and they are still part of NHS.

many NHS trusts employ armies of contractors (extremely expensive) and they all provide care or services to the trust in one form or anther and they are all part of the NHS. hospital doctors and nurses on PAYE are not the only ones servign NHS. Clearners, porters, security staff, admin, etc etc...
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I'm glad someone understands this.

The "GPs aren't NHS" thing seems to becoming more popular but isn't accurate.
 
i used to have private health care cover through work as well as just bought myself as I was younger at the time and premium was very little.

when getting these covers, the private health care provider always claims NHS has the best care for chronic disease and cancer treatment. due to the nature of private health care, they simply cannot match the level of service provided by NHS for these as a patient with chronic disease or cance, hte treatment cannot have an upper bound limit.

all private health care has a cost limitation on the service they are able to provide. in my opinion they are best for diagnostics and getting that consultants done. when it comes to treatment, most of the private health care has very low limit to what i percieve is the cost to full recovery.

So NHS from secondary care perspective, it is a great service. however getting your hospital appointment and getting the consultant to act upon diagnostics ie to the point of treatment/surgery that is a different experience altogether. even the hospital consultants told me to send my child to private if i want him to be treated quickly.

I have a GP referral for nearly 1 year now but i still have not recieved appointment for it....
 
Wouldn't make sense to sell it off as a whole... If you wanted to privatise it it might make more sense to offer contracts like those used for train operating companies - some of them are essentially management contracts with very little risk for the contract holder, but still enough profit to make it worthwhile. I bet there are loads of Tory party donors that would love to get their grubby hands on one of those :p

That way the public sector keeps the risk and has to pay more, while the private sector gets to make profit.
 
I think many are realising that however much money is thrown at the NHS, next year they'll want more, for less, ad infinitum.

The Chinese virus has shown many members of the heath services to have a serious lack of dedication to their profession, and many that were clapping on their doorsteps probably regret it, as their phones ring out unanswered, and once a call is taken, they have to plead to be seen. I said at the time, Rishi was too generous, many here were idolising him, and wishing he would be the next PM. That's all forgotten now. He just made a ruck of people get a taste for a quarter or less work for similar money, whilst they were probably also moonlighting, and for a new "bad back" to join the armoury.of the work shy. Civil Servants. I am looking at you....How many remain out of their offices still?
 
pc-guy said:
thanks for the well wish. since he s been put on the meds again, his physical condition has gotten loads better. but unfortuantely the brain damage is done so he has basically symptoms of late stage dementia and requires my mum to be with him 24/7 and needs to be accompanied at all the time. he s oblivous to his plight. some days he knows who i am and other days he just look at me like a frightened cat cos he thinks he knows me but doesnt know who i am. it is sad on those days.

lastly, can i ask what is PALS?
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Man I'm sorry, like you say, you can't change what's happened and what's happened doesn't help with the difficulties he now has :(

PALS is the Patient Advice & Liaison Service - Amongst other things, they deal with complaints relating to NHS services. They are very helpful and can provide a wealth of info. We have a separate version for NHS staff called SALS... I'll let you figure it out :p
 
Chris Wilson said:
I think many are realising that however much money is thrown at the NHS, next year they'll want more, for less, ad infinitum.

The Chinese virus has shown many members of the heath services to have a serious lack of dedication to their profession, and many that were clapping on their doorsteps probably regret it, as their phones ring out unanswered, and once a call is taken, they have to plead to be seen. I said at the time, Rishi was too generous, many here were idolising him, and wishing he would be the next PM. That's all forgotten now. He just made a ruck of people get a taste for a quarter or less work for similar money, whilst they were probably also moonlighting, and for a new "bad back" to join the armoury.of the work shy. Civil Servants. I am looking at you....How many remain out of their offices still?
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It always seems in any thread about the NHS that you're off in a different reality to most of the population.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Well, at least you cannot call me a sheep, can you? ;) I tend to not shirk from seeing the NHS for what it has become, and voicing my opinions.
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There's a group of individuals who love to use the term "sheep" and act like they are the only few who can "open their eyes and see the truth" and "say it like it is"
Rarely do they turn out to be correct, or well informed.

We call them Conspiracy Theorists and we laugh at them for their stupidity and arrogance.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Well, at least you cannot call me a sheep, can you? ;) I tend to not shirk from seeing the NHS for what it has become, and voicing my opinions.
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Your opinion that is largely based on nonsense and false information that you've decided is true.

"The GP's cowered away" and the "GP's aren't working" meanwhile you get told by loads of other users (including GP's) that yes the were seeing patients, and were often doing remote work whilst ill, but were trying to prevent themselves getting ill which would mean they wouldn't be able to see anyone in person:)

I know for example my GP's practice (which i've criticised a lot before) was doing phone appointments where possible as the preliminary thing, then face to face if needed right in the middle of lockdown. And the primary reason they have to some dgree kept that up is because they keep getting people who don't believe in the "chinese virus" ignoring all the requests and warning signs and going into see them coughing away...I think I've said before, but apparently my local practice had to shut down completely several times because they had people with covid go in. So they're still operating a policy that attempts to reduce the number of people sat in the (poorly ventilated) waiting room at any one time.
 
I guess having a wife who until recently retiring was a director of a medical company supplying to the NHS has given me a shocking insight to the unapologetic profligate waste and mismanagement endemic within the monster.

I also think a lot of people wrongly assume the modern GP has the same dedication and work ethic of his earlier counterparts, who performed house calls and earned a decent but not immodest wage. I am afraid a lot of the younger GP's are primarily financially driven, to a much greater extent than their forebears.

Plus of course lambasting the NHS is almost taboo, despite them often richly deserving such condemnation.
 
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