NHS=Negligent Health Service

[Minstadave]

Bit disingenuous with the circle example, the Hospital had already failed under the NHS, was going to close, they had to take on all the debts of the hospital too.

It's the only example I know of in the UK where a private company has tried to run a full hospital service rather than cherry picking the easy bits.

 

[Minstadave]

Could just do it like other countries with non profit insurance companies...

Which is essentially what we have with Crown Indemnity isn't it?

 

[Energize]

Which is essentially what we have with Crown Indemnity isn't it?

No, that's funded by the taxpayers not the individuals who are liable for the screw ups. Why should the taxpayer, that is the patient, pay for their doctors negligence?

We don't expect taxpayers to fund everyone else's insurance, so why should doctors get special treatment because of their lobbying groups like the BMA?

Why should I fund the defense of the doctors who knowingly discharged me from hospital in a psychotic state which nearly led to another person being stabbed to death? The idea is repugnant.

 

[jon86]

Well.. just redoing my USA based health insurance etc for next time. 347 dollars per two weeks. My company will pay at least 3 times that amount into it. So we are talking at least 1388 per pay check or $3007 per month that gets paid for health care. (751 per month by me). And this is considered very good.

My previous employer paid for my and my family's healthcare, vision, and dental benefits entirely and it cost the company about $3200 per month. I consider this to be part of my compensation plan. If my future employer wanted to make me pay towards the benefits, I'd expect to be paid more money, which is what is happening with my current employer; higher compensation but higher benefit premiums.

Could just do it like other countries with non profit insurance companies...

Non-profit doesn't mean no profit. It just means massive bonuses at the end of the year for the management and staff. This is what happens with a large healthcare non-profit here in the USA where I used to live. The company makes multiple billions of dollars of revenue every year, and has a very high profit margin.

 

[Minstadave]

No, that's funded by the taxpayers not the individuals who are liable for the screw ups. Why should the taxpayer, that is the patient, pay for their doctors negligence?

We don't expect taxpayers to fund everyone else's insurance, so why should doctors get special treatment because of their lobbying groups like the BMA?

Why should I fund the defense of the doctors who knowingly discharged me from hospital in a psychotic state which nearly led to another person being stabbed to death? The idea is repugnant.

Quite simple:

If doctors aren't covered by Crown Indemnity then their own Indemnity insurance would be hugely more expensive. This would have to be met by increase in pay, which comes from the taxpayer. You'd just end up with a system that is more expensive and much slower.

Secondly, negligence doesn't work on an individual basis most of the time. An example being an operation doesn't go well, a patient becomes septic, the trust hasn't provided appropriate training to training staff, the ward was understaffed and several people contributed to a mistake over several days. How do you unpick that when a claim is paid out? It'll end up with years in court and lots of lawyers fees on top of the negligence bill.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Why do you say that?

Sorry, drunken typing in Benidorm, Fez summed it up and yourself.
When GPs are negligent you go down a different route.

 

[cheesefest]

Cannot believe that NHS medical records staff push patients’ notes around hospital in a rusty supermarket trolley - exposed. The Royal Infirmary hospital has lots of wind tunnels caused by tall buildings. Then they go onto the hospital hopper which eventually goes to Leicester’s other two hospitals.

I do wonder how many records have been lost this way.

Dad’s records were lost for almost a year. Found wedged behind a drawer with the paperwork messed up.

Plus it’s not advisable to visit hospitals for different departments in the same week. As my Dad and others on their second appt of the week have been told “we can’t find your records” as they are in transit. Some doctors go ahead with the appt and some cancel it!

 

[Abraxaz1]

Cannot believe that NHS medical records staff push patients’ notes around hospital in a rusty supermarket trolley - exposed. The Royal Infirmary hospital has lots of wind tunnels caused by tall buildings. Then they go onto the hospital hopper which eventually goes to Leicester’s other two hospitals.

I do wonder how many records have been lost this way.

Dad’s records were lost for almost a year. Found wedged behind a drawer with the paperwork messed up.

Plus it’s not advisable to visit hospitals for different departments in the same week. As my Dad and others on their second appt of the week have been told “we can’t find your records” as they are in transit. Some doctors go ahead with the appt and some cancel it!

A friend works in the it of a local hospital.

All it comes out of the same funding as the rest of the hospital and is low down on the priority list when put up against medical costs.

He's gone dumpster diving more than once. The main server is 2nd hand built from parts donated from a local business that was moving headquarters.

Tldr. NHS under funded that it are barely able to upgrade work Stations let alone data servers.

 

[Dis86]

A friend works in the it of a local hospital.

All it comes out of the same funding as the rest of the hospital and is low down on the priority list when put up against medical costs.

He's gone dumpster diving more than once. The main server is 2nd hand built from parts donated from a local business that was moving headquarters.

Tldr. NHS under funded that it are barely able to upgrade work Stations let alone data servers.

It's the opposite up here. They have more money than they know what to do with! They literally have warehouses full of unused base stations and monitors that were purchased to ensure they got an increased budget next year. He estimated at least 5000 full pcs sat there for years because they were never needed.

 

[Malevolence]

Cannot believe that NHS medical records staff push patients’ notes around hospital in a rusty supermarket trolley - exposed.

********. A big part of my job is transferring patients records between all the different department about the hospital, and it's drilled into you from day one that the records are sacrosanct. You have to be damn sure you don't misplace a single page. And we don't use rusty old supermarket trolleys either. Is this another thing you've made up in order to whinge about something. Why do you do this, what's the point of making **** up on the internet when you're anonymous?

 

[cheesefest]

********. A big part of my job is transferring patients records between all the different department about the hospital, and it's drilled into you from day one that the records are sacrosanct. You have to be damn sure you don't misplace a single page. And we don't use rusty old supermarket trolleys either. Is this another thing you've made up in order to whinge about something. Why do you do this, what's the point of making **** up on the internet when you're anonymous?

I remember a few years ago, seeing a NHS worker pushing a SAFEWAY trolley. They went about 15 years ago.

 

[Goodie]

Someone’s got a rather big bee in their bonnet. What’s the issue, seen too many nurses using Apple Pay?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I remember a few years ago, seeing a NHS worker pushing a SAFEWAY trolley. They went about 15 years ago.

At our Trust we got rid of supermarket trolleys around five years ago when the new GDPR laws came in, those Porters now use proper Health Records trolleys.
Before @Malevolence picks health Records up from my office I will have to track them on a system called iFit, this is mandatory and I could get a verbal if I don't.
I have to clearly label the records with a Health Records approved A4 label and rubber bands going horizontal and vertical so nothing can fall out, if they are not like that Malevolence can refuse to take them.

Yes records go missing all the time and I'm dealing with one now for the Coroner.
The secretary has clearly tracked them wrong and doing an Audit Trail nobody on her iFit list knows anything about them.
We will get fined by the Coroner.
Some of the main offenders are Clinicians, the Secretaries track them in for their Clinicians and that's where the trail goes dead because they are supposed to give them back to the Secretary.
Quite often they may give them to a fellow Clinician who then gives them to another with no tracking taking place.

 

[Energize]

Quite simple:

If doctors aren't covered by Crown Indemnity then their own Indemnity insurance would be hugely more expensive. This would have to be met by increase in pay, which comes from the taxpayer. You'd just end up with a system that is more expensive and much slower.

Secondly, negligence doesn't work on an individual basis most of the time. An example being an operation doesn't go well, a patient becomes septic, the trust hasn't provided appropriate training to training staff, the ward was understaffed and several people contributed to a mistake over several days. How do you unpick that when a claim is paid out? It'll end up with years in court and lots of lawyers fees on top of the negligence bill.

I would prefer a system that costs more via an increase in pay rather than socialised insurance as it makes people more accountable.

In my case the doctor that discharged me is being held liable and is the subject of a GMC investigation, but what does he care when he's sucking off the teat of taxpayers? It's not going to cost him anything.

Cannot believe that NHS medical records staff push patients’ notes around hospital in a rusty supermarket trolley - exposed. The Royal Infirmary hospital has lots of wind tunnels caused by tall buildings. Then they go onto the hospital hopper which eventually goes to Leicester’s other two hospitals.

I do wonder how many records have been lost this way.

Dad’s records were lost for almost a year. Found wedged behind a drawer with the paperwork messed up.

Plus it’s not advisable to visit hospitals for different departments in the same week. As my Dad and others on their second appt of the week have been told “we can’t find your records” as they are in transit. Some doctors go ahead with the appt and some cancel it!

My records vanished into thin air, I looked at the ED discharge form and was horrified to see "no treatment given" when I was in the hospital for 3 days on IV antibiotics. My GP was shocked when I told him I'd spent 3 days in hospital because they had no record of it!

 

[1664kronenbourg]

I would prefer a system that costs more via an increase in pay rather than socialised insurance as it makes people more accountable.

In my case the doctor that discharged me is being held liable and is the subject of a GMC investigation, but what does he care when he's sucking off the teat of taxpayers? It's not going to cost him anything.



My records vanished into thin air, I looked at the ED discharge form and was horrified to see "no treatment given" when I was in the hospital for 3 days on IV antibiotics. My GP was shocked when I told him I'd spent 3 days in hospital because they had no record of it!

Yeah. Know how you feel about 'no treatment given' despite being taken to the hospital TWICE IN THE SAME WEEK for the same condition and an appointment for the same thing a few weeks eariler with the same answer and telling them that pain killers didn't work.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

My records vanished into thin air, I looked at the ED discharge form and was horrified to see "no treatment given" when I was in the hospital for 3 days on IV antibiotics. My GP was shocked when I told him I'd spent 3 days in hospital because they had no record of it!

Dealt with one yesterday - Patient Journey: A&E > AMU but no ward records when at the very least there should be a Nursing Care Booklet.
Anyway, it was on a shelf waiting to be put into some notes or scanned.

 

[Surveyor]

In my case the doctor that discharged me is being held liable and is the subject of a GMC investigation, but what does he care when he's sucking off the teat of taxpayers? It's not going to cost him anything.

Saying they're being held liable prejudges the outcome of the investigation. A GMC investigation could lead to referral to the MPTS who have the power to restrict, suspend or revoke a doctor's registration. The "cost" could be very high indeed.

 

[Energize]

Saying they're being held liable prejudges the outcome of the investigation. A GMC investigation could lead to referral to the MPTS who have the power to restrict, suspend or revoke a doctor's registration. The "cost" could be very high indeed.

I think it's clear that I was talking about the legal cost...

 

[Bassmansam]

My 95 year old grandad is in hospital with pneumnia at the moment. He ordered haddock for dinner but got given lasagne instead.

 

[Surveyor]

I think it's clear that I was talking about the legal cost...

As far as I can see there are no legal costs involved in a GMC investigation unless the doctor chooses to obtain representation. If legal representation is obtained I haven't found anything saying the NHS would pay for it.