NHS=Negligent Health Service

I think what he means is GP’s are not ‘NHS staff’ (E.g. not directly employed by the public sector), most surgeries are outsourced to private enterprises ran by the GPs themselves or larger groups. They work under the NHS flag but it’s effectively privatised.

It’s always been privatised like that and I imagine it’s a relic from when the NHS was first formed.
SFAIK that's correct. It's also why the gov keep trying to data grab GP records into the NHS databases because they want the info to sell/mine/whatever dumb-**** idea the lobbyists entice them to.
 
I'll give you the benefit of my 11 years of experience because we get a lot of 'fell out of beds'.
Write a detailed letter to the Trust Complaints Department explaining everything and they will have 30 days to reply, if after an MDT you get a Letter of Response apologising and saying there was a Breach of Duty you then have a Green Card to go to a Solicitor who hopefully deals with Clinical Negligence.
It shouldn't cost you anything, they will apply for a type of insurance which has gone out of my head even though I've done a couple today.
Even if you don't get a Letter of Response with an admission it still doesn't stop you from seeing a Solicitor.

Its not the falling out of bed that really gets me, though it shouldn't happen. Its the leaving her to get some gloves while walking to the toilet and she then falls. Just wait until you get to the toilet or walk her to a chair or call a colleague. Thanks for the advice though. I'll speak to my brother about writing to the Trust.
 
What bloat do you actually think is there?

Most international comparisons have the NHS pegged as one of or the most efficient health systems in the world.

Note I said efficient and not most effective. While we get more out of every £spent than most comparable systems, our outcomes lag well behind because it’s just generally underfunded and doesn’t have the resources it needs to perform at that level.

"Underfunded" :D - Just in England alone we spent £212.1 Billion (with a "B") in 2020/21 which is 10% of our GDP just on the NHS, with 1 "manager" for every 3 doctors or 10 nurses - there's the bloat (approx 35k managers for 100k doctors and 300k nurses) and those 35k managers will all need office staff under them etc increasing the bloat further.

The OG NHS from the 50's, when it really was still a beacon of "Universal healthcare done right", was run differently so maybe we should go back to that OG setup i.e. back to basics. It can't be any worse than the middle-manager heavy NHS we have currently which devours so much money yet gets apparently worse and worse whilst wasting so much of our hard earned cash (£2.4 Billion lost in negligence claims, £300 Million in unused drugs etc).

We need to figure out "why" we need so much management, we need to remove those reasons (get the Gov to bugger off and leave it alone) and the NHS needs to focused 100% on healthcare for the sick and ill (physically/mentally) and nothing else i.e. no "cosmetic" stuff unless it's part of recovering from an injury or illness (for example burns, reconstructions etc) so it'd be no boob jobs to just make someone feel happy but it'd OK for breast cancer victims etc.

Everyone can see that the NHS is close to toppling over yet no-one is willing to make the tough decisions necessary to "save" it, because those decisions (mass job loses in office staff etc) are too "hard" for a Government to stomach, so they all just keep kicking the can further down the road until it finally topples over and then we're all screwed.
 
Its not the falling out of bed that really gets me, though it shouldn't happen. Its the leaving her to get some gloves while walking to the toilet and she then falls. Just wait until you get to the toilet or walk her to a chair or call a colleague.

Sorry to hear about your Mother, no-one should get hurt because of the negligence of those who are supposed to care for them.
 
"Underfunded" :D - Just in England alone we spent £212.1 Billion (with a "B") in 2020/21 which is 10% of our GDP just on the NHS, with 1 "manager" for every 3 doctors or 10 nurses - there's the bloat (approx 35k managers for 100k doctors and 300k nurses) and those 35k managers will all need office staff under them etc increasing the bloat further.

The OG NHS from the 50's, when it really was still a beacon of "Universal healthcare done right", was run differently so maybe we should go back to that OG setup i.e. back to basics. It can't be any worse than the middle-manager heavy NHS we have currently which devours so much money yet gets apparently worse and worse whilst wasting so much of our hard earned cash (£2.4 Billion lost in negligence claims, £300 Million in unused drugs etc).

We need to figure out "why" we need so much management, we need to remove those reasons (get the Gov to bugger off and leave it alone) and the NHS needs to focused 100% on healthcare for the sick and ill (physically/mentally) and nothing else i.e. no "cosmetic" stuff unless it's part of recovering from an injury or illness (for example burns, reconstructions etc) so it'd be no boob jobs to just make someone feel happy but it'd OK for breast cancer victims etc.

Everyone can see that the NHS is close to toppling over yet no-one is willing to make the tough decisions necessary to "save" it, because those decisions (mass job loses in office staff etc) are too "hard" for a Government to stomach, so they all just keep kicking the can further down the road until it finally topples over and then we're all screwed.

It reminds me of that scene from Dave.

 
I can't say a bad word about the NHS, my son was born 3 months early, and every nurse on the NICU was a star. He's also been back in 3 times with bronchiolitis (the last time 2 weeks ago when he also developed pneumonia), and every time they've bent over backwards to help as much as possible and make us feel as comfortable as possible.

I can't speak for the middle and upper management, but the frontline staff deserve far more recognition, respect and pay than they get (and a lot less abuse from the arrogant entitled little **** who turn up with a minor illness or injury and then kick off because they aren't seen to instantly)
 
I can't say a bad word about the NHS, my son was born 3 months early, and every nurse on the NICU was a star. He's also been back in 3 times with bronchiolitis (the last time 2 weeks ago when he also developed pneumonia), and every time they've bent over backwards to help as much as possible and make us feel as comfortable as possible.

I can't speak for the middle and upper management, but the frontline staff deserve far more recognition, respect and pay than they get (and a lot less abuse from the arrogant entitled little **** who turn up with a minor illness or injury and then kick off because they aren't seen to instantly)

Thank you buddy :D
 
Gps are not NHS.

But GPs are NHS. They are paid for by the NHS to provide NHS services. GPs work under NHS contracts (for the most part, it's complicated is my understanding with GMS vs PMS contracts) and earn an NHS pension.

GP conglomerates or whatever theyre called now have some independence from a management/Primary Care Network point of view but to say they're "not NHS" is still a stretch. There is increasing independence, however at the moment however most are failing, certainly in our area and this changes ever few years anyway.
 
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They'll expect me to go for my booster jab ASAP but if they want me to play by their rules, no inhaler? No booster jab until I get my inhaler then.

Someone with respiratory issues stamping their feet and not having a covid booster to spite someone :rolleyes:

May as well just lop your head off there while you're doing the nose.....
 
I think what he means is GP’s are not ‘NHS staff'

Which would be wrong, GPs are NHS staff. They are paid for through their surgery (with all the complications of the current mess that is conglomerates/PCNs) but they're are NHS staff working under NHS contracts/pensions etc.

https://lowdownnhs.info/explainers/how-do-gps-fit-into-the-nhs/

This explains it better than I can, I'm not a GP but my wife is and laughed at the idea she's "not NHS".
 
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in fact they are increasingly one of the most privatised with increasing US involvement. IIRC the GP practices aren't just being allowed to renew but have to competitively tender and those tenders seem to favour big corps in terms of the weighting they place on certain categories. You can have very well run practices being told they can't just carry on. That stinks to me. our excellent GP practice has been subsumed into a multi practice behemoth and suddenly we can no longer ring up anymore. Everything has to be a written online form and it goes nowhere. And this is supposedly more efficient. My hairy backside.

Thats not just GPs. That happens in secondary care too. You can go to one hospitals GUM clinic being provided buy another hospital or a private provider. They all flop eventually though, Circle at Hinchinbrooke being the prime example.

Several of the GP behemoths are collapsing because the promised efficiency gains never materialise and they end up losing money.
 
Spain, Cyprus and Greece and the U.S. (Texas) None of which was comparable to our NHS in my experience, especially if you don’t have medical insurance.

What? I literally go to the doctors once a year when I go to Cyprus.. due to how inadequate the NHS is.. Was out there for 10 days in September, went to Cardiologist, GP, Dentist and Lab... (all for checkups) can I do that over here?

Edit: I should note. All of this wasn't free. I paid 18 Euros for all of the above. But is it worth it over waiting for potentially decades to get referrals and appointments?
 
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Try medical care overseas, you’ll soon realise you have no idea how good the NHS actually is.
That depends hugely on which country. A 3rd world country sure, US absolutely. It’s disappointing when it takes so long to get anything non emergency done (5 years for me it took) or more than a year for someone in agonising pain to get an operation. I think we have just got used to it being mediocre. I have a foreign wife and she is shocked at how low tech and slow our NHS is. I have to agree having experienced other health services I would put the NHS at the bottom of the 1st world. Unless it’s an emergency I tend to get things sorted abroad where I can book in on the same day.
 
"Underfunded" :D - Just in England alone we spent £212.1 Billion (with a "B") in 2020/21 which is 10% of our GDP just on the NHS, with 1 "manager" for every 3 doctors or 10 nurses - there's the bloat (approx 35k managers for 100k doctors and 300k nurses) and those 35k managers will all need office staff under them etc increasing the bloat further.

The OG NHS from the 50's, when it really was still a beacon of "Universal healthcare done right", was run differently so maybe we should go back to that OG setup i.e. back to basics. It can't be any worse than the middle-manager heavy NHS we have currently which devours so much money yet gets apparently worse and worse whilst wasting so much of our hard earned cash (£2.4 Billion lost in negligence claims, £300 Million in unused drugs etc).

We need to figure out "why" we need so much management, we need to remove those reasons (get the Gov to bugger off and leave it alone) and the NHS needs to focused 100% on healthcare for the sick and ill (physically/mentally) and nothing else i.e. no "cosmetic" stuff unless it's part of recovering from an injury or illness (for example burns, reconstructions etc) so it'd be no boob jobs to just make someone feel happy but it'd OK for breast cancer victims etc.

Everyone can see that the NHS is close to toppling over yet no-one is willing to make the tough decisions necessary to "save" it, because those decisions (mass job loses in office staff etc) are too "hard" for a Government to stomach, so they all just keep kicking the can further down the road until it finally topples over and then we're all screwed.

But nothing you’ve written actually disputes what I’d written. If you actually did the research you’d see that we spend less than similar countries and have worse outcomes due to a lack of resources.

Given you started talking about boob jobs and cosmetic surgery pretty much sums up the lack of credibility of what’s written.
 
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