Don't trolls also live in caves? Or is that glass houses...
NHS=Negligent Health Service
- Thread starter 1664kronenbourg
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Their Dad's house you say?
Your entire function here is to try to wind people up.
I don't see what you get from that. I mean, it's not like you're hugely successful, either. You're pretty low-effort, not funny, quite boring, and you also just troll in every thread.
Get a hobby? You might think my life sucks but any existence where you spend so much time trying to wind people up on the internet, well, it can't be that fulfilling, can it.
Caporegime
The Government is always changing the NHS, it is one of the main problems in the NHS that it is constantly used as a political football ewith shifting goalposts/privatisation/forced competitive markets.
What radical change do you envisage?
Soldato
I'm not sure that is true. It clearly has problems and like any large organisation it will have some bad apples. I think people hero worship the idea of the NHS. It clearly needs to be improved. Personally I've ended up in A&E on 4 occasions with potentially life threatening injuries and my care has been incredible. I'm grateful we have this service but would love to see it improved.
Hey now, I made some great recommendations in the board game thread!
Soldato
PMSL
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I and the family have had varying levels of care from the NHS. Some good, some bad, much like any service really. My daughter's hearing issues are a good example - very good care from the outpatients service (hearing tests with audiologists etc) but a terrible experience with a registrar who didn't seem to have any clue what she was doing and recommended surgery and other treatment that there's no way she needed. The consultant we got a second opinion from seemed quite embarrassed at just how bad the registrar we saw first had been.
The thing I worry about is that my wife and I were able to question the registrar, think that things didn't seem right and ensure we got the second opinion and then the treatment my daughter needed. Others may have blindly followed the first authority figure and that would have been bad. I guess there are good and bad in every profession - however, the impact of a bad medic is worse than most others.
The thing I worry about is that my wife and I were able to question the registrar, think that things didn't seem right and ensure we got the second opinion and then the treatment my daughter needed. Others may have blindly followed the first authority figure and that would have been bad. I guess there are good and bad in every profession - however, the impact of a bad medic is worse than most others.
I’m glad you got great care but I hear a lot of people say the care they have had has been great. Most of us can’t really judge if we had good care or not because we aren’t qualified or don’t have anything to compare it to (myself included). Getting good care in one of the richest countries in the world should be standard.
From what I have heard the treatment in Europe is better, people pay insurance but it’s still universal health care much like what we have. I imagine in the NHS nobody knows how much things actually cost because it’s all ‘free’ and subsequently a lot of money is wasted.
Tbh it sounds more like you need to take more responsibility for your own health and ability to communicate with Drs more clearly.
I can’t imagine having an issue for years and not being able to get to the bottom of it with multiple different Drs help, the one constant in your issue has been you. The NHS is fantastic in my experience.
And do you have a source for this dirty needle resulting in aids thing?
I ask because it’s nigh on impossible to get aids that way, and sounds like absolute rubbish, which again, leads me to believe you are the problem, not the nhs.
You are putting far more effort into your posts than he is, and he is still managing to make more sense and present a better argument than you are…
For that matter what qualifications do the current health secretary and shadow health secretary hold that are relevant to the health service? In fact who even are they I'd struggle to name them atm. who took over from haphazard hancock? Do they have any medical experience? Any skills in running large complex organisations whose primary aim is to provide care? Anything like that? Anything at all that would remotely see them given such an important role if it was open to the usual job application format?
Caporegime
They're completely unqualified but atleast the current health minister (Sajid Javid) has some pedigree unlike Hancock who was incompetent.
Are you (also) trying to lower my IQ by bombarding me with nonsense?
Do you believe in your own mind that your post actually said something meaningful? You might as well have posted, "My Dad's bigger than your Dad."
It's just 100% garbage coming from both of you. I don't see the point. You might as well have rolled your face on the keyboard.
What do you get from this?
Made me chuckle that, but it turns out rolling your face on a keyboard is harder than it looks. This is all I got:
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Soldato
What do you get from being this invested in forum posts from randomers? It isn't good for the ol' noggin - generally, you OK hun?
Seems that for every good experience there are 100 bad ones with the NHS, my dad was hit by a lorry a few weeks ago and can barely walk with crutches, or work due to the pain and the doctors haven't prescribed any effective painkillers like morphine, only rubbish like naproxen which is primarily used to fob people off, being about as useful as a split condom. When I fractured my shoulder, same story, consultant recommended lidocaine patches and the GPs couldn't even manage that leading to me to having to take time off work due to pain! At the core of it, most complaints are not resource issues (kill the Tories etc.), they are ones of dogma, orthodoxy and protocol, doctors in the UK are so guideline driven they won't follow what is basic clinical practice in other countries which frequently leads of worse clinical outcomes.
There is a disturbing, almost ultra-nationalist style of worship for the NHS in this country. Any criticism of the standard of care is always blamed on the Tories or deflected by comparing it to the care in Afghanistan instead of another country in Northern/Western Europe.
There is a disturbing, almost ultra-nationalist style of worship for the NHS in this country. Any criticism of the standard of care is always blamed on the Tories or deflected by comparing it to the care in Afghanistan instead of another country in Northern/Western Europe.
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Caporegime
I'm not sure this fits at all with reality. Most complaints are about poor care, long waits and communication issues.
Guidelines aren't a UK thing, many that are used in my practise are standardised across Europe, and I can't see that they contribute to most complaints like you suggest, quite the opposite.
Usually it's not following recognised practice/guidelines that results in poor care in my experience. Worse clinical outcomes depends on which outcomes you're talking about, the UK really lags behind the decent EU and USA in cancer outcomes, but I don't think it's for the reason you state.
Guidelines are only guidelines also, there's no reason you can't deviate from them provided you justify it.
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So basically to reiterate what I said then, complaints are primarily not resource issues, all the things I mentioned result in poor care.