They go on clockwise when you hold the camera around your neck. I rotate my hand form left to right, the same putting a bottle cap on.
Nikkon Mirrorless incoming
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The point is very obvious, Nikon don;t want people buying a D7500 as a cheaper D500. IF you want the professional feature like dual slots then you buy the professional D500. The fact that you can get a FF chepaer than a D500 is irrelevant, the D610 is no where near the same class as the D500. You seem far too obsessed with sensor size rather than functionality.
What, i never said Pros would stop using Nikon. You are just making stuff up again. I siply stated that the new Nikon Z camera are not aimed at pros, so pro features are going to be missing.
Doesn't matter what you think, it matters how Nikon want to differentiate models. You may not be able to afford to have a shoot ruined by a card failure, but then it sounds like you are a pro and there is money on the line.
You are also missing the important aspect that XQD cards are far less liekly to fail than even 2 SD cards. So if you truly care about lost images then using a Nikon Z with a single XQD slot is most liekly going to reduce your chances of image loss compared to 2x SD.
Who said a 24-70mm f/2.8 constitute a "large lens lineup"?
Don;t you realize Nikon has released an adapter for the F-mount lenses, and it seems to work quite well. So as you have said, Nikon have adapted lenses for the Z mount.
But you seem to be judging the lens line up on release compared to Sony that has been released some time ago. That is not an apples to apples comparison I have explained to you why the lens line up on release is necessarily slim.
What Nikon is offering is the same as what Sony and Fuji had at release. They all suffer the same manufacturing constraints.
It's just marketing bs, trying to generate hype and more pre orders by faking a supply shortage.
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How does the direction change when it goes round your neck? You are just changing it by the way the camera is facing, I’m talking the actual direction as it screws on. That’s how people generally refer to directions, and that’s what I mean when I ask a random who had never used a DSLR which direction.
If you had to explain it, then it’s bad design.
The direction changes because the lens mount changes, when the mount is rotated 180* then the direction to attach the lens also rotates 180*. Thereby, you rotate the lens form left to right and it attaches, the same direction as a clock ticks.
You don't seem to grasp the simple concept that you don;t put on camera lens facing the mount but with the mount facing away form you. The need to explain is because you don;t seem to get simple concepts.
If you give a random person a Nikon DSLR there is no need to explain, they can put the camera on and attach the lens in a completely natural manner without thinking. This is one of the reaosns I went with Nikon, it is just so natural and you don;t have to think about it.
Remember the slogan, righty tighty. Well, that is how it works with Nikon lenses.
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No, you turn the way you look at it.
You had to explain it, urgo bad design. That is the defintion.
All that text is pointless because you are tying to explain it, the more you do, the worse it gets.
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If we want to start comparing all these cameras, let's look at the price points.
D610 = D7500
D750 = D500
If you are only interested in having dual card slots you buy the D610, if you want the best image quality you choose the full frame in any case. If you are shooting wildlife the D500 may be a better option than the D750, but the D7500 sticks out as a camera at a premium price tag with cut down features compared to the D610 and the D500.
The D7xxx series made sense, they were for serious photographers who didn't want to jump to full frame for whatever reason, now it's just a castrated rip off.
You said pros aren't going to switch from a D850 to a mirrorless, when in reality many people prefer the Sony mirrorless to the D850 in terms of AF etc.
I don't shoot for money so by definition I'm not a pro. I take my photography seriously however, as does anyone buying a camera in this price range. I don't want to rent a lens for £150, pay another £100 to get into the event and then have a card die on me!
People buying £1k+ cameras are simply not the people who tend to want to settle for entry level features like a single card slot.
And I am more concerned about card failure from external factors like damage in the conditions I shoot in rather than electronic failure. However I'd be interested in what emperical data your making that mtbf claim on.
Yeah for £280 instead of integrating it into lenses for a much smaller cost.
Did Sony release their system with just 1 lens?
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Long time Nikon user here.
This is NOT how Nikon works, it is opposite to this!
Right to remove, Left to lock would be more appropriate.
It is "backwards" but as I only own Nikon its not a problem to me.
TBH Raymond Lin after this lengthy, and somewhat pointless discussion on lens mount direction you are unlikely to forget now, even if you remember because you think its a crap design.
Most people don't swap lens mounts that often and those that do will have another difference to remember.
To change the direction now would annoy existing Nikon customers quite a bit.
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I've never forgotten how Nikon mount worked after trying it for the first time, because the impression it left on me was "well, this is stupid". The first and natural attempt is to twist the lens on clockwise, and I looked at it and wondering why this isn't locking…Of course you then try the other way, in which point the thought mentioned above was cemented in my mind. I am not suggesting them to change it, it's their thing, nor am I suggesting if I get it, I won't get used to it. I am saying it is opposite how it is different to other everyday things in the world that you screw down.
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Righty tighty, lefty loosey.
The more I look at news for the new Z6 and Z7 mirrorless cameras the more I am scratching my head in confusion. Nikon has had a long time to look at what is out there in the mirrorless world in terms of bodies and features and to ensure that any new mirrorless cameras came out of the gates at a sprint in terms of the features the provide and how competitive they are. Not only have they not done this, but they have also made some glaring omissions that will seriously deter wedding and event shooters such as dual card slots who are used to having 2x cameras with 2x card slots in them for maximum redundancy and who get very nervous without it.
The new releases from Nikon and Canon will only highlight how scarily good the Sony a7III family really is and I think we are going to see a large shift in power in the next couple of years as Sony become the dominant force in mirrorless cameras worldwide.
The new releases from Nikon and Canon will only highlight how scarily good the Sony a7III family really is and I think we are going to see a large shift in power in the next couple of years as Sony become the dominant force in mirrorless cameras worldwide.
While I agree the whole launch is rushed and not well marketed at all, the dual card slot is totally irrelevant because a Single XQD card is far more reliable than 2 SD cards.
LEts say an SD card would fail 1 time in P (maybe XPis 10,000).
With 2 SD cards the probability of loosing everything is now 1 in 2P
But the XQD cards are something like 10x more reliable, so the probability of the single XQD card failing is 1 in 10P., you are still 5 times less liekly to loose all your images than if you had 2 SD card slots.
If the Nikon Z6/7 came with 2 XQD slots then the camera would be bigger and more expensive. If it added an SD card slow then the data rate would eb reduced to the SD speed which is not desirable. And going form the above, athe addition of a single SD card would improve odds from 1 in 10P to 1 in 11P, a 10% improvement which is not much considering the big slow down.
Furthermore, Nikon are clearly not aiming these cameras at professionals. There is absolutely no reason you would pick either camera over a D850 for a wedding (which coincidentally, has an SD + XQD and the pros will use a single XQD card).
The bigger issue for professionals is the small buffer size and pathetic battery life, although the latter is just the curse of mirrorless. It would have been nice if Nikon used the 150grams saved from the mirror to make a far larger battery pack to maintain a the 1500shots pros are used to.
It is a bit of a mystery why the Launch was rushed, but perhaps tehy got freaked out by rumours of Canon's mirrorless, or they needed to do somehtign for sharehodlers or to meet fiscal deadlines.
As indication oif the rush, firmware is apparently only version 0.5X, while typically Nikon will announce a camera with firmware version 0.9X, and will be shipped with version 1.0X.
All that ebing said, if you have a decent Nikon collection and like the Nikon system, then there is absolutely no reason to Switch to a Sony mirrorless unless you are incredibly impatient. You;ve got a competent Sony A7III equivalent, it will be better in some aspects and worse in others. Sony is liekyl a little ahead but within a few years Nikon's mirrorless camera will be every bit as good.
As long as Nikon keeps creating lenses like the new 500mm f/5.6 PF then there isn't a chance I would move to Sony.
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The way I see it, is it's a new product, not new tech. There's an awful lot of marketing hype over "mirrorless". As far as I can see, "mirrorless" is just not as ground breaking as people would have you believe, but that won't dissuade the camera manufacturers from trying to charge a premium for it! Besides, there's nothing new about 10 year old technology right? It's like the sensor MP race, there's no guarantees that you will create better pictures or that the majority of people will even notice if you used a 45MP camera vs a 24MP one. As with all the other "small" differences between manufacturers, they are exactly that, "small". People would be better off spending their time improving their basic photography skills rather than spec whoring, it's like we're back at school and everyone is playing Top Trumps!
What is crazy, is people advising other people (and I'm not suggesting you said this or that you advocate it) to switch systems and lose hundreds of pounds, if not thousands, for a few "small" differences. People need a reality check, it's like the kids arguing over whether the latest Samsung is better than the latest iphone, it's pathetic. Nikon, Sony, Canon etc have a far bigger problem (if it is indeed a problem and I suspect it isn't), and that is convincing the majority of digital camera owners to upgrade to these flagship models when their middle-of-the-road offerings are so damned good and meet the requirements of most.
I concur, when I'm changing Lenes (Nikon), my hand and wrist move clockwise to mount the lens, anti clockwise to take off.....Because my camera is normally facing away from me
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Sorry but this to me is absolute and unadulterated guff. Not only do you seem to not understand why mirrorless is the future of camera technology, but you are completely simplifying the actual useful differences between camera features (yes, lumped under the term 'specs') and then ending with a supremely patronising: "People should spend more time worrying about improving their photography then specs". All you show with that post is that you are unwilling to dig any deeper on an intellectual level.
Photography for anyone who is not a professional is a luxury. The serious amateur and prosumer market demand is still significant, that is why Sony is selling such a crapton of a7III and a7rIII models including many migrating from Canon, Nikon and Fuji. In the last few years I changed from Nikon to Fuji to Sony and 'lost' hundreds. Do I regret it? Not one bit, because photography is one of my major hobbies in life and the relevant worth it has to me is extremely high in proportion to the money I spend.
For people who take photography (or insert any hobby that people are passionate about) seriously, whether they be professional or amateur, it is not a trivial matter that they demand the best from their gear and manufacturers and it also should come as no surprise that they love to discuss the hardware in detail.
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Guff? 10 years or mirrorless and we've finally caught up with DSLR technology? All we did was figure out a way of how to remove a mirror for crying out loud! Intellectual level? You've got me! I will hold my hands up and say that I'm just interested in the creative level and not the intellectual level. You must be right.
Good for you. Seriously, I'm pleased it worked out for you.
It is a trivial matter. This is where you're different, most of us like to get out there, shoot, maybe get a little creative and enjoy the results. I stand by what I wrote, but that's only because I'm not on the same intellectual level as you...
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I never ever mount the lens when the mount is facing away from me. Ever.
I don’t think of the direction “how you are holding the camera”. It’s the direction pushing it in. Like everything else.
Because, erm, you can't be interested in both the intellectual and creative aspects? You are only capable of one or the other? That seems a little black or white.
Saying "all we did was remove the mirror" is ignoring the actual benefits, like live view EVF, hybrid autofocus, overall lighter and more compact gear (even if not always dramatically). Do you apply the same blase logic to all technological developments that ultimately make things better?
Are you suggesting that people who like discussing cameras do not go out and shoot and enjoy the results? Are you, posting on the forum at this moment, out there 'shooting and enjoying the results'? Again, this is just bad logic.