Nikon D850

Raymond Lin · 24 Aug 2017 at 21:48

2StepSteve said:
I love when a new major camera is announced

I don't really get it.

It's a great camera by all counts, if you are not in a position to get one of these, it matters not. If you are in a position to get one of these, whether you shoot Nikon D810 currently (great, perfect upgrade), Sony (does it matter? there is the A9 which looks like it does 95% of what the Nikon does), Canon (get the A9!).

2StepSteve · 24 Aug 2017 at 22:10

Raymond Lin said:
I don't really get it.

It's a great camera by all counts, if you are not in a position to get one of these, it matters not. If you are in a position to get one of these, whether you shoot Nikon D810 currently (great, perfect upgrade), Sony (does it matter? there is the A9 which looks like it does 95% of what the Nikon does), Canon (get the A9!).

Was quite tongue in cheek my comment. The mass hysteria where all of a sudden the camera you've been happy with for years suddenly becomes useless.

jonneymendoza · 24 Aug 2017 at 22:11

Raymond Lin said:
My consolation? is that the A9 or any Sony E-mount for the matter is perfectly usable with Canon lenses so it's not the end of the world.

Worry about the pictures, if Canon bodies is lacking, get a Sony, all the lenses will work just fine!

(mostly)

yea most lenses do work fine for portait and landscape. Anything where you need critical AF is not that great.

ramdrive · 24 Aug 2017 at 22:24

I waited until the specs for the D850 were released before I ordered my Canon, in all seriousness it does look like a good camera and I admit I would like the tilt screen but the Canon system works better for me and my main lens the EF35mm is exceptional and Nikon has nothing in there system to touch it. I also prefer the ergonomics of the Canon bodies...

2StepSteve · 24 Aug 2017 at 22:25

jonneymendoza said:
yea most lenses do work fine for portait and landscape. Anything where you need critical AF is not that great.

Going a little off topic, but it's greatly improved since the old metabone days. https://youtu.be/plMA52AkFh8

Still, the A9 has a very high price tag.

Raymond Lin · 24 Aug 2017 at 22:26

2StepSteve said:
Going a little off topic, but it's greatly improved since the old metabone days. https://youtu.be/plMA52AkFh8

Still, the A9 has a very high price tag.

Street price is £1k over the D850.

£1k is cheaper than switching systems.

2StepSteve · 24 Aug 2017 at 22:31

Raymond Lin said:
Street price is £1k over the D850.

£1k is cheaper than switching systems.

True, a hell of a lot less painful.

a1ex2001 · 25 Aug 2017 at 06:27

2StepSteve said:
Was quite tongue in cheek my comment. The mass hysteria where all of a sudden the camera you've been happy with for years suddenly becomes useless.

Was about to say the same thing, obviously we all need a d850 to take a decent photo! Good photographers take good photo's modern cameras are that good that they are very unlikely to be the limiting factor! I first got into photography about ten years ago after reading here and TP my 5d mkii is light years ahead of the cameras everyone was using back then but my best shots still don't stand up to what some guys churned out with a 30D or D40x

jonneymendoza · 25 Aug 2017 at 08:05

Raymond Lin said:
Street price is £1k over the D850.

£1k is cheaper than switching systems.

Yup.thats what I did

bcjames · 25 Aug 2017 at 12:50

I'm currently using a pair of D800s. Doing less paid work these days, so I've been looking forward to this announcement as a probable upgrade and dropping back to a single camera. £3500 pre order stings a bit though.

Jase · 25 Aug 2017 at 12:52

Raymond Lin said:
I like a D850 but what do I gain that I need from it?

Having use the 5DIV the past 6 months in various situations and weddings, it hasn't let me down.

Do I need 45mp? no…even Ross Harvey posted today's blog he will shoot in M-RAW (something that is new to Nikon apparently!) at 25mp.
Do I need 4k video? No.

I would however like:-

Tilt screen
True silent shooting
Faster card slots

Switching to Nikon I will lose

Built in wireless flash system,
Dual Pixel AF
The 85/1.2 and the awesome 35L mk2
GPS in photo (it's kinda nice!)
Good wifi control via app

It is better in the 5DIV in many ways such as FPS, pixel size, silent shooting, tilt screen, better card reader (albeit the 5DIV is faster than I thought, it is certainly faster than the MkIII), but deep down, I don't think the gap is that big?

It would be much cheaper to get a Sony A7Rii for landscape and use Canon glass than to switch entire system.

For what you do and have invested, it probably isn't worth jumping ship.... at this stage. However the D850 does beat the **** out the 5DIV

However, if Canon carry on the way they are with mediocre upgrades like the 5D IV and hold back features so not to tread on their other products, show no innovation but at the same time charge over the top prices for it then it's not going to be long before you have to question it. If I was a Canon shooter now I would have jumped to Sony probably so I could still use the lenses.

I think both Nikon and Canon have been stuck in their ways for a while but on this you can see that Nikon has thrown everything at it. Even the focus stacking which apparently was due to their engineers liking the super macro shots they'd seen and thought it would be cool to put in the camera, it's things like that we want to see and actually that is one thing I'm looking forward to trying out.

Raymond Lin · 25 Aug 2017 at 12:58

Jase said:
For what you do and have invested, it probably isn't worth jumping ship.... at this stage. However the D850 does beat the **** out the 5DIV

However, if Canon carry on the way they are with mediocre upgrades like the 5D IV and hold back features so not to tread on their other products, show no innovation but at the same time charge over the top prices for it then it's not going to be long before you have to question it. If I was a Canon shooter now I would have jumped to Sony probably so I could still use the lenses.

I think both Nikon and Canon have been stuck in their ways for a while but on this you can see that Nikon has thrown everything at it. Even the focus stacking which apparently was due to their engineers liking the super macro shots they'd seen and thought it would be cool to put in the camera, it's things like that we want to see and actually that is one thing I'm looking forward to trying out.

After the "extraordinary loss" earlier in the year which they would have known for a while they probably thought they better throw in the kitchen sink.

a1ex2001 · 25 Aug 2017 at 13:41

Jase said:
For what you do and have invested, it probably isn't worth jumping ship.... at this stage. However the D850 does beat the **** out the 5DIV

Why do we always have this sensationalist stuff when a camera is released? It hardly beats the **** out of it, yes it is better and has a better specs list but the end result isn't a step change from the competition. Nikon have clearly thrown everything into it to try and generate sales it will be interesting to see if it works but it hasn't previously allowed them to close the sales gap. If I was starting out today I would go Nikon but if you are happy shooting canon then there really is no reason to shift over Ray for example would shoot a better wedding on my old 30D than I would on a D850 just because he is a better tog!

ramdrive · 25 Aug 2017 at 20:10

Jase said:
For what you do and have invested, it probably isn't worth jumping ship.... at this stage. However the D850 does beat the **** out the 5DIV

However, if Canon carry on the way they are with mediocre upgrades like the 5D IV and hold back features so not to tread on their other products, show no innovation but at the same time charge over the top prices for it then it's not going to be long before you have to question it. If I was a Canon shooter now I would have jumped to Sony probably so I could still use the lenses.

I think both Nikon and Canon have been stuck in their ways for a while but on this you can see that Nikon has thrown everything at it. Even the focus stacking which apparently was due to their engineers liking the super macro shots they'd seen and thought it would be cool to put in the camera, it's things like that we want to see and actually that is one thing I'm looking forward to trying out.

Ignorance must be bliss for you my friend! I have a feeling you watch Ken Wheeler videos...

DeathStorm · 25 Aug 2017 at 20:24

a1ex2001 said:
Why do we always have this sensationalist stuff when a camera is released?

Because it's new and shiny!

To be fair, it's probably the biggest the gap is going to be but if that's down to Nikon doing a good set of changes or Canon focusing on maximum profit for least effort I couldn't say.

DeathStorm · 25 Aug 2017 at 20:28

a1ex2001 said:
Was about to say the same thing, obviously we all need a d850 to take a decent photo!

You'd never hear someone say don't upgrade your computer or car, it won't make you better at browsing the web or a better driver, yet every time there's a new camera we're reminded it won't make us better photographers. I'm not complaining it just seems an odd thing to point out every single time.

D.P. · 25 Aug 2017 at 20:35

DeathStorm said:
You'd never hear someone say don't upgrade your computer or car, it won't make you better at browsing the web or a better driver, yet every time there's a new camera we're reminded it won't make us better photographers. I'm not complaining it just seems an odd thing to point out every single time.

It mostly comes from jealousy.

I run my cars in to the ground, if it still takes you form A to B and repair costs aren't more than the costs associated with buying and running new car then there is really no point in upgrading. Occasionally I buy a new camera, the new camera enables me to take photos I could not have achieved before

Raymond Lin · 25 Aug 2017 at 20:45

People getting jealous of gear is weird, buy it if you want it....I like new cameras as much as the next guy but what I get jealous about is "how on earth did you take that photo......" and wishing that photo had my name on it.

ramdrive · 25 Aug 2017 at 22:00

Raymond Lin said:
People getting jealous of gear is weird, buy it if you want it....I like new cameras as much as the next guy but what I get jealous about is "how on earth did you take that photo......" and wishing that photo had my name on it.

Most people can't afford it that's why they post rubbish in these kinds of threads...

a1ex2001 · 25 Aug 2017 at 22:31

Raymond Lin said:
People getting jealous of gear is weird, buy it if you want it....I like new cameras as much as the next guy but what I get jealous about is "how on earth did you take that photo......" and wishing that photo had my name on it.

Great post I could afford a much better camera but have come to the realisation I'm not willing/able to put in the time to improve my skills enough for it to make a difference!