I hope America leaves a crater where Kim Jong-Un used to be. People afraid of North Korea's nuclear weapons need to understand that America is geared for war against a super power like China or Russia, and it's geared to fight them both at the same time and win. North Korea isn't even a contest and there's no threat of a Western power getting hit by a NK missile, they don't even have nuclear warheads.
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Would you provide a source for this please?
Would you provide a source for this please?
Yeah sure mate, I'll just contact my intelligence sources in South Korea and get them to fax you a copy over
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Fax, now i know your lying. They dont have the technical knowledge to service a fax machine!
You think America has 10 carrier groups, 3,000 fighters and 6,000+ tanks for the likes of Iraq?
You think China has 2.8 million soldiers active/reserve for nothing? Plus all the civilians they could easily arm with a war economy where hundreds of millions of people could be making arms?
The US would not be able to get a foothold and the Chinese could win the attrition war easily, the war wouldn't even get this far though as the Chinese would simply launch their ICBMs along with Russia and it won't matter.
The US has that because its grossly inefficient and boondoggling all the way to the bank to satisfy the stupidity that is the average senator.
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china has over 2.3 million active service members. USA has about 1.4 million active service members.
Problem with NK is that even for the US it would be a high casualty mission putting boots on the ground and the natural terrain also serves some defence against missile and other aerial bombardments. While NK on the offensive would get steam rolled they have favourable terrain for defensive purposes and a lot of their resources have been directed into defence.
I know this, but if the US is attacking, it somehow has to move a good chunk of its soldiers such that it isnt left defenceless and its attacking the full might of two rather efficient enemies with a combined population of 1.5 billion... :|
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US is or at least used to be geared to fight two major wars on separate fronts. That's what used to drive their defence spending.
Of course China would never allow the US into NK anyhow. Far too close to home for them.
Of course China would never allow the US into NK anyhow. Far too close to home for them.
Times change, operations can barely happen over horizons now because of Radar systems being much better, we're close to mass accelerators being mass producible (slow targets are dead) and laser systems (small objects defence) are now kinda mature.
The old ways aren't good enough now, those bulky *** carriers are pointless.
You would be supprised at how poorly China could defend itself against a USA/ally lead invasion.
And FYI carriers don't travel alone.. They are guarded by multiple perimeters of frigates/destroyers/battleships/recon ships/submarines/scrambler jets/recon planes and more..
If you think a country just sends a carrier in the hope it isn't sunk you have a serious misunderstanding of how naval war is fought.
They also have a huge lump of rock off their coast called Taiwan, meaning they cannot protect their coast from a naval assault. (one of the main reasons for USA/China conflict)
Well they can, they can just annihilate the island if it really came to it and blame it on the Americans to draw some hatred.
Also i'd imagine China with its much more forwardly based radar installations in SCS, that they know where everything is anyway, connected with their ship-busting missiles on the mainland and it's not a sure bet their coast is entirely unsafe.
But regardless both nations likely don't share all their strength so, i'm just going to stop bothering to theorycraft war scenarios.
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Ultraviolence, music to invade to.
The US pretty much does what we USED to do. Which is aim to build a military capable of taking on the two other biggest military forces at once. Though it's becoming harder to do it.
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A couple of points.
NK is NOT a the old USSR. Despite its Stalinist ideology, NK has no interest whatsoever in being an expansionist power beyond its stated desire to "Unify" the Korean peninsular. NK actually wants as little as possible to do with the outside world (They have an ideology of Juche, basically extreme Autarky. The idea of NK wanting to occupy lands other than SK is basically risable)
As such, NK is no "Offensive" threat to anybody else whatsoever other than the South. NK will NOT launch any first strike long range nuclear attacks against the USA or anybody else for that matter, why would they?? Doing so would serve no purpose and bring Hell-Fire raining down on their heads.
If NK did want to make some sort of pre-emptive attack on the rest of the world, I actually see a rather more passive (and yet considerably more damaging) way of using their missile tech (That would actually be very difficult to respond to)
If I was NK and really wanted to **** things up for the rest of the world (and in particular the USA) I would use My missiles to launch a couple of hundred Kg of builders sand into "Wrong Way" geo (and other) orbits.
NK wouldn't care one jot if there was no more Sky TV, Spy-sats, Com-sats or GPS ever. The rest of the world would have course be hopping mad over this, but how, realistically, could we respond?
(Pretty much any aggressive response that would have any lasting effect would result in the deaths of, literally Millions of innocent people, Would a society that prosecutes a soldier who executes a mortally wounded prisoner for Murder have the will for this sort of warfare today?? Hell no!)
As far as offensive use of Nuclear weapons is concerned I can easily see NK using "Neutron Bombs" as part of a future assault against SK. All the NK Nuclear tests thus far seem to have generated yields that are right on the button for Enhanced radiation devices (7-10Kt, anything larger than that and the blast effects dominate) especially since they have claimed to have produced a fusion device of around this yield. I certainly think that this is likley to be the main thrust of their nuclear weapon development program.
Although, NK makes much propaganda of their missile and long range Nuclear capabilities (They have missile subs too). The only use of this capability I could envision is as a retaliatory strike If the US invaded or struck the North to such an extent that they felt they were losing. NK's Nuclear tipped ICBM's really are only for deterrent/defensive purposes.
I really DO NOT want the US to take any military action against NK. For now containment is just fine. I do not regard them as any particular global threat unless attacked.
Even if NK did invade SK, I would rather we all kept out of it. This is not the 1960's, there is no "Domino Theory" doctrine going on here. I would be sympathetic towards the suffering of the SK people certainly should such an invasion occur. But not to the extent that I would be willing to risk a global nuclear exchange from defending them.
No, No Way.
NK is NOT a the old USSR. Despite its Stalinist ideology, NK has no interest whatsoever in being an expansionist power beyond its stated desire to "Unify" the Korean peninsular. NK actually wants as little as possible to do with the outside world (They have an ideology of Juche, basically extreme Autarky. The idea of NK wanting to occupy lands other than SK is basically risable)
As such, NK is no "Offensive" threat to anybody else whatsoever other than the South. NK will NOT launch any first strike long range nuclear attacks against the USA or anybody else for that matter, why would they?? Doing so would serve no purpose and bring Hell-Fire raining down on their heads.
If NK did want to make some sort of pre-emptive attack on the rest of the world, I actually see a rather more passive (and yet considerably more damaging) way of using their missile tech (That would actually be very difficult to respond to)
If I was NK and really wanted to **** things up for the rest of the world (and in particular the USA) I would use My missiles to launch a couple of hundred Kg of builders sand into "Wrong Way" geo (and other) orbits.
NK wouldn't care one jot if there was no more Sky TV, Spy-sats, Com-sats or GPS ever. The rest of the world would have course be hopping mad over this, but how, realistically, could we respond?
(Pretty much any aggressive response that would have any lasting effect would result in the deaths of, literally Millions of innocent people, Would a society that prosecutes a soldier who executes a mortally wounded prisoner for Murder have the will for this sort of warfare today?? Hell no!)
As far as offensive use of Nuclear weapons is concerned I can easily see NK using "Neutron Bombs" as part of a future assault against SK. All the NK Nuclear tests thus far seem to have generated yields that are right on the button for Enhanced radiation devices (7-10Kt, anything larger than that and the blast effects dominate) especially since they have claimed to have produced a fusion device of around this yield. I certainly think that this is likley to be the main thrust of their nuclear weapon development program.
Although, NK makes much propaganda of their missile and long range Nuclear capabilities (They have missile subs too). The only use of this capability I could envision is as a retaliatory strike If the US invaded or struck the North to such an extent that they felt they were losing. NK's Nuclear tipped ICBM's really are only for deterrent/defensive purposes.
I really DO NOT want the US to take any military action against NK. For now containment is just fine. I do not regard them as any particular global threat unless attacked.
Even if NK did invade SK, I would rather we all kept out of it. This is not the 1960's, there is no "Domino Theory" doctrine going on here. I would be sympathetic towards the suffering of the SK people certainly should such an invasion occur. But not to the extent that I would be willing to risk a global nuclear exchange from defending them.
No, No Way.