North Korea

Housey said:
The biggest issue is how quickly the US could destroy the forces which could damage Japan and South Korea. There is no debate that country against country Korea will come last, probably within 24 hours of anything kicking off, but a few shells or missiles hitting down town Tokyo or suchlike would be a real mess and that is a real fear in the current state. Nuclear would not be used by US first I do not believe but should Korea launch one then I fear the US would destroy most of the major population areas in 10 minutes. US has always had a policy of you hit us with a nuke, we hit you with 1000 and I think this would happen, they have history of like big bombs after all.
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Isn't this pretty much 99.9% of the reason nobody has yet done anything about NK, and will continue to do nothing about NK. Even with all the posturing and weapons testing.

If the North decide on a scorched earth policy and their military has the stomach to execute that order, SK at least would be devastated.

Being theoretically able to hit the US with a nuke really isn't the main threat. It's what they could do to their neighbours.

But this also means that NK really doesn't have a strong hand either, surely. The only reason they aren't being "liberated" is because nobody wants SK to be damaged. But if NK invaded the South then there is little reason for the West to hold back any longer. So in that event NK essentially gives up the hunan shield keeping the West at bay, no?

Even where they are now NK still doesn't have a winning hand. They don't have a serious nuclear deterrent and they need SK as it is to prevent the West from invading.

Sort of catch 22.
 
ubersonic said:
Isn't the crackpot conspiracy theory supposed to be that he wanted to get rid of the Rothschild owned Federal Reserve (which isn't owned by them anyway as it's a central bank).



The prospect of Seoul getting rekt is the reason nothing has been done.
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Exactly, it's a kind of mini MAD. They both feed of the others actions and rhetoric. NK want nuclear weapons and ICBMs to protect itself from the US and the US don't want them to have them just in case they actually use them.

This latest round is just another example. Trump threatens them with destruction so NK "plan" a show of strength to prove they can retaliate and hurt the US if push comes to shove.

This is exactly what people were worried about when Trump was elected, running his mouth and then doubling down rather than stepping back. NK to their credit have played him well with their "plan" - a show of strength but broadcasting the aim so if they ever actually do it then there's lots of prior warning that it isn't actually an attack on Guam.

Hopefully both sides will take a step back and consider before anything more rash happens.
 
413x said:
Believe it's a real threat. It's not going to go backwards with technology is it. Whatever they have now is only going to get better.
And they are backed into a corner and so will get more and more desperate.

Looks like it's hitting the markets now
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OMG if you was around during the cuban missile crisis, you would be changing your pants every 5 minutes.
This noting. But the people on the internet and news outlets are making it a big deal.
 
Its Trump not Kim who is the random factor in all this, and I'm not 100% sure Trump *wouldn't* use a nuke in a fit of pique

He has a tenuous grasp on reality and I can easily imagine wouldn't think of the consequences
 
Trump wouldn't use a nuke 1st, he's got too many people round him. They won't use nukes anyway, the outcry would be too large, no reason they wouldn't use highly accurate missiles. I read an article interviewing a top general and he said they wouldn't even go to Trump if NK mobilised an artillery truck for an ICBM, they wouldn't have time to make the call. They would destroy it in the 30 min window between setup and launch. Luckily, NK only have submarines which make the equivalent noise of herd of elephants.
 
I fully expect trump to tweet a gif of kim jong il from team america singing 'so ronery'
 
My prediction is - (which could have course be totally wrong :p ....)

NK will fire missiles at Guam in the next few days, the US won't retaliate immediately - they'll go to China and say "Look, here we are, they're firing missiles across Japan and towards US territory, it's unambiguous aggression - this is your last chance to sort it, you have x days/weeks, if you can't fix it in that time - we'll fix it with force"
 
Freakbro said:
Its Trump not Kim who is the random factor in all this, and I'm not 100% sure Trump *wouldn't* use a nuke in a fit of pique

He has a tenuous grasp on reality and I can easily imagine wouldn't think of the consequences
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Actually I take that last bit back, it seems he has thought about and been quite enthusiastic about the use of nuclear weapons for decades....:rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40879868

"Would there be a time when it could be used?" Trump replied. "Possibly. Possibly."

When pressed on the risks of openly talking of using nuclear weapons, Mr Trump said: "Then why are we making them? Why do we make them?"

(The US no longer makes new nuclear warheads. It maintains its current arsenal.)
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"I've always thought about the issue of nuclear war; it's a very important element in my thought process," Mr Trump said. He called it the "ultimate catastrophe" and compared it to an illness no one wants to talk about it.
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"I believe the greatest of all stupidities is people's believing it will never happen," he continued, "because everybody knows how destructive it will be, so nobody uses weapons. What [expletive]."
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Raz said:
Trump says military is 'locked and loaded'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40901746
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Oh no way, the military is the military shocker.

Screeeech said:
My prediction is - (which could have course be totally wrong :p ....)

NK will fire missiles at Guam in the next few days, the US won't retaliate immediately - they'll go to China and say "Look, here we are, they're firing missiles across Japan and towards US territory, it's unambiguous aggression - this is your last chance to sort it, you have x days/weeks, if you can't fix it in that time - we'll fix it with force"
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Useless, NK won't just wait for the deadline.
 
Lol.

Might as well say 'US continues to say that it is staying vigilant'

Until an actual move is made, this is the same tune that has been playing for decades. They make a show of having presence because they want their presence there to seem productive. The US also publicly lend credibility to the NK threats because it makes the US presence there seem required. The only time the US will act on NK is when their hand is forced to so that they dont look incompetent.

What is funny though is that Trump, in his subtle ways, is playing up this idea of war too much and it is the last thing any of the military want, as shown by the the defence secretary statements on finding a peaceful resolution.
 
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