North Korea

IronWarrior said:
I doubt anything will happen, the status quo will be kept, such a shame because just look how South Korea is compared to North Korea.
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Yeah, its one of them.
N Korea will not change for a very long time, only an invasion, or nuclear attack can change N Korea - which would probably start WW3.

Its a shame really, if the general public were overwhelmingly behind Trump, which to be fair his heart is in the right place (shock horror for saying such an horrendous thing!?) then WW3 would have no chance of starting. But no, the people who dislike Trump will be the ones who will cause WW3, not Trump, that is democracy, if you don't like a leader then you can vote 4-5 years later for a different leader/government - that is fair and square of modern civilisation, that is democracy.
 
Evosparki said:
Yeah, its one of them.
N Korea will not change for a very long time, only an invasion, or nuclear attack can change N Korea - which would probably start WW3.

Its a shame really, if the general public were overwhelmingly behind Trump, which to be fair his heart is in the right place (shock horror for saying such an horrendous thing!?) then WW3 would have no chance of starting. But no, the people who dislike Trump will be the ones who will cause WW3, not Trump, that is democracy, if you don't like a leader then you can vote 4-5 years later for a different leader/government - that is fair and square of modern civilisation, that is democracy.
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I don't think WW3 will start with North Korea, they don't have any allies. Russia and China won't help them with military action if the US/Allies invade. They got so much to lose, it would be insane.

Yep, Trumps heart is in the right place, he's a honest man.

Yep, being President is only for 8 years, while congressmen and women are in the service for decades, that's where the real power is, it's wrong and corrupt and thats why America needs term limits.
 
Evosparki said:
Yeah, its one of them.
N Korea will not change for a very long time, only an invasion, or nuclear attack can change N Korea - which would probably start WW3.

Its a shame really, if the general public were overwhelmingly behind Trump, which to be fair his heart is in the right place (shock horror for saying such an horrendous thing!?) then WW3 would have no chance of starting. But no, the people who dislike Trump will be the ones who will cause WW3, not Trump, that is democracy, if you don't like a leader then you can vote 4-5 years later for a different leader/government - that is fair and square of modern civilisation, that is democracy.
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Oh dear :/. So democracy will start WW3??? ok how do you figure that out exactly?? Sure democracy allows people to vote different people in but also democracy also has checks and balances in place, where a president/prime minister cannot just go and fire off nukes.

Anyone why would anyone want to be behind Trump, who in all fairness is a mentally unhinged man child. And if you haven't seen his joke of an administration for the past 8 mths then you have been living under a rock. The smallest of criticisms set him off with his bizarre rants on tweets. One thing is for certain, world leaders must look forward to dealing with this idiot, he is just so easy to set off.

Qualities that a world leader should never ever have.

Rather than trying to find a peaceful solution, the man child in charge decides to ratchet up tensions with N Korea. For the 8 yrs previous Obama never made such stupid threats towards N Korea, rather concentrated on trying for a more peaceful resolution.

But N Korea gonna troll Trump and they are doing an awesome job of baiting the fool.
 
Yas786 said:
Oh dear :/. So democracy will start WW3??? ok how do you figure that out exactly?? Sure democracy allows people to vote different people in but also democracy also has checks and balances in place, where a president/prime minister cannot just go and fire off nukes.

Anyone why would anyone want to be behind Trump, who in all fairness is a mentally unhinged man child. And if you haven't seen his joke of an administration for the past 8 mths then you have been living under a rock. The smallest of criticisms set him off with his bizarre rants on tweets. One thing is for certain, world leaders must look forward to dealing with this idiot, he is just so easy to set off.

Qualities that a world leader should never ever have.

Rather than trying to find a peaceful solution, the man child in charge decides to ratchet up tensions with N Korea. For the 8 yrs previous Obama never made such stupid threats towards N Korea, rather concentrated on trying for a more peaceful resolution.

But N Korea gonna troll Trump and they are doing an awesome job of baiting the fool.
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North Korea didn't have the technology, that's why Obama could just let it go. Can people not see that?

Question for you, what if Trump doesn't do anything and NK launch something at Japan/S.Korea/Guam?? who's fault is it?
Also, are you saying NK have only just started to be serious about their nuclear arsenal since Trump took charge? I'm guessing you believe they weren't pursuing it when Obama was in charge, despite the many articles saying otherwise from 2008 to 2016
 
IronWarrior said:
I don't think WW3 will start with North Korea, they don't have any allies. Russia and China won't help them with military action if the US/Allies invade. They got so much to lose, it would be insane.

Yep, Trumps heart is in the right place, he's a honest man.

Yep, being President is only for 8 years, while congressmen and women are in the service for decades, that's where the real power is, it's wrong and corrupt and thats why America needs term limits.
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China won't allow the US to invade North Korea and enforce regime change.
 
The Running Man said:
China won't allow the US to invade North Korea and enforce regime change.
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Won't allow? They don't have a choice, Do you honestly think China would use military action to stop it?

And if they wanted to stop it, how would they?

I guess they could use sanctions against the US, but that would hurt their economy just as much I guess.
 
IronWarrior said:
Yep, Trumps heart is in the right place, he's a honest man.
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Lol of course he's honest, he's as honest as they come. Honestly he is the bigliest honestest person in the whole wide world. The likes that the world has never seen before.

Apologies for my Trumpisms :p
 
IronWarrior said:
Won't allow? They don't have a choice, Do you honestly think China would use military action to stop it?

And if they wanted to stop it, how would they?

I guess they could use sanctions against the US, but that would hurt their economy just as much I guess.
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Alternatively they could go in first which would stop the US or "simply" get NK to agree to stationing Chinese troops on NK soil (maybe in the guise of "peacekeepers" on the border) - NK isn't very likely to agree to that however but if it came to a realistic chance of the US invading they might.
 
VincentHanna said:
Yeah, I wonder why that is...
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Maybe Hillary deleted the emails about it and smashed all the phones with hammers. /s

Rroff said:
Alternatively they could go in first which would stop the US or "simply" get NK to agree to stationing Chinese troops on NK soil (maybe in the guise of "peacekeepers" on the border) - NK isn't very likely to agree to that however but if it came to a realistic chance of the US invading they might.
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That could work I guess, but I don't think China would go that far. Using that sort of human shield tactic would be pretty expensive and they couldn't keep it up forever, but good point.
 
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IronWarrior said:
That could work I guess, but I don't think China would go that far. Using that sort of human shield tactic would be pretty expensive and they couldn't keep it up forever, but good point.
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It worked the last time (Korean War). Technically North Korea vs South Korea, actually mostly USA vs mostly China. Different times now, though.
 
Rroff said:
I do find it funny how increasingly people have no idea how to deal with a situation that can't be resolved by talking their way out of, there is no negotiated solution and while the US has the military upper hand it isn't such that they can (relatively speaking) take war lightly.
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The situation is very clear.

You cannot allow another country to develop nuclear capability for two reasons, the first is the obvious risk of them being used against you, but the other is the increased diplomatic strength that country will have.

So to me the only real clear option is direct military intervention as soon as possible.

Living in london, I am just glad the UK says nothing the whole time, because a 20KT nuke in london will most likely hit where i work within 1KM or so, i'd be alive, but probably no job and not sure about the radiation.. Either way i'll probably be underground in tunnels for a couple of weeks like a rat.

Ohh yea, you didnt tell me what games you play or played.. Plz do thanks
 
Trusty said:
Some of that article makes sense and i can believe it, some of it, not.
I found this article about technology transfer from 1999.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/11/world/clinton-approves-technology-transfer-to-china.html

Can't really find any solid proof about nuclear secrets being sold.
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Yas786 said:
Oh dear :/. So democracy will start WW3??? ok how do you figure that out exactly?? Sure democracy allows people to vote different people in but also democracy also has checks and balances in place, where a president/prime minister cannot just go and fire off nukes.

Anyone why would anyone want to be behind Trump, who in all fairness is a mentally unhinged man child. And if you haven't seen his joke of an administration for the past 8 mths then you have been living under a rock. The smallest of criticisms set him off with his bizarre rants on tweets. One thing is for certain, world leaders must look forward to dealing with this idiot, he is just so easy to set off.

Qualities that a world leader should never ever have.

Rather than trying to find a peaceful solution, the man child in charge decides to ratchet up tensions with N Korea. For the 8 yrs previous Obama never made such stupid threats towards N Korea, rather concentrated on trying for a more peaceful resolution.

But N Korea gonna troll Trump and they are doing an awesome job of baiting the fool.
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Democracy will cause WW3 you ask? well you just think about it: about half of the western world agree or disagree (particularly hate) with Trump. If those people who were against Trump would accept the fact that he was voted in as leader instead of protest very, very violently against him then it would show support for his decisions, so then all of USA's allies will stand with the USA in helping the people of N Korea for a democracy instead of a dictatorship - a dictatorship that is threatening to nuke S Korea and Japan - democratically and flourishing nations that can not protect itself from such an attack.

"Democracy also has checks and balances in place, where a president/prime minister cannot just go and fire off nukes."
Exactly and that is why Trump will not trigger the first nuke.

If you disagree with Trump then fair enough. He has another 3.5 years to prove himself to his country, that's democracy. Look at the alternatives: Hilary Clinton, or a dictatorship... lol?

"Qualities that a world leader should never ever have"? who are you to say that? have you earned as much money as him? donated as much money to him? been with as many women as him? earned the right to national leadership status - particularly of the most powerful nation of the world?

"Peaceful solutions"? that is exactly the mentality reason why N Korea has been able to develop nukes for such a long time. Potentially do you really believe its right for every country to have nukes? The world should be getting rid of nukes but it can't - ESPECIALLY because of the likes of N Korea - its the exact reason why USA/Russia won't get rid of their nukes.

N Korea was not trolling Trump, they were threatening S Korea and Japan. N Korea have been trolling said countries probably way before you were even born.
 
The Running Man said:
The reason no one will stop North Korea is that they have artillery aimed at South Korea. Let them develop and mobilise the icbm nuke and they will be unstoppable.

The UN and all of NATO know that North Korea cannot be controlled nor stopped with anything other than regime change. Yet they idly do nothing while North Korea test nuclear arms, test missiles and want to negotiate with them.

What outcome does the west thing they can negotiate here? North Korea's motivation is to build a nuke to either strike the US or keep their esteemed leader in power. Neither of which are palatable.

Had they threatened Israel with nukes, what would you spect the outcome to be?
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but north Korea is lead by a dictator.

a dictator that knows he can't go anywhere but attack the nuclear allied South Korea or the nuclear armed china both of which would be suicide for him.

N.K isnt going to start a war but the leadership doesnt want to be overthrown like the big countries have a habit of doing.

a nuclear icbm likley buys Kim a lifetime guarantee on outside attacks on his rule.
 
IronWarrior said:
Won't allow? They don't have a choice, Do you honestly think China would use military action to stop it?

And if they wanted to stop it, how would they?

I guess they could use sanctions against the US, but that would hurt their economy just as much I guess.
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Hence why it would trigger WW3.
Russia politically dislikes USA so why not ally with China if such a war happens?
The Arab world dislikes western countries/values, who knows who they would ally with.
South American nations are that corrupt they'd probably join China/Russia.
Argentina are looking for any reason what so ever to be able to fight for the Falklands, so they'd probably ally with Russia/China.
Pakistan will probably join Russia/China.
India will go to war with Pakistan.
Islamist terrorism will keep EU and British military preoccupied at home.

At some point nukes will be all over the place one way or the other. No life left on Earth.
 
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