North Korea

ubersonic · 12 Jun 2018 at 16:47

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
You talk like Kim's a sane rational human-being, his a ruddy psychopath.

You see the problem you have here is you're just repeating the opinion of the editors of the news sources you read. People who have actually met him tend to have nicer opinion of him, and I generally prefer first hand accounts to Daily Mail style stories.

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
He had O Sang-hon executed by flamethrower ***!

You have to keep things in perspective, he had a military leader executed by flamethrower who was loyal to a political rival who had been plotting against him.

One of Kim's biggest problems is that he has to project an iron fist don't **** with me image to those in his own government/army who would try and overthrow him, in order to avoid a coup, while at the same time try to work with the west/SK towards fixing Korea, and those aims are sort of at odds as anything he does towards one goal injures the other.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 12 Jun 2018 at 16:50

You do realise you are being an apologist for a barbaric, murderous thug of a dictator who is responsible for the death and torture of thousands of his own people ??
But I guess that's all a big conspiracy and #fakenews :rolleyes:

jsmoke · 12 Jun 2018 at 16:54

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
You do realise you are being an apologist for a barbaric, murderous thug of a dictator who is responsible for the death and torture of thousands of his own people ??
But I guess that's all a big conspiracy and #fakenews

Depends on how you look at it. Study of the human mind and human conditioning. I haven't read the history but you could argue he was born into it, a product of his environment and all that. Following traditions and protocols.

ubersonic · 12 Jun 2018 at 17:03

Chris Wilson said:
You make it sound as if "Kim" is living in squalor

He lives in a second world **** hole in constant fear for his life, I think he was probably much happier living the millionaire European playboy lifestyle he grew up with.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 12 Jun 2018 at 17:05

Absolutely, but that doesn't change the fact his a ruthless dictator with the blood of his own people dripping from his hands!

The following speaks volumes of the type of person trump is:

People Trump has attacked:
- Canada
- Members of Congress
- Gold Star Families
- Women
- Immigrants
- Black athletes
- Over half our citizens
- US Intelligence Agencies

People Trump has praised:
- Murderous dictators
- Paedophiles
- Nazis
- White supremacists

Malevolence · 12 Jun 2018 at 17:05

Why does Trump's signature look like he signed 'Anal Dummy'?

Dis86 · 12 Jun 2018 at 17:10

Malevolence said:
Why does Trump's signature look like he signed 'Anal Dummy'?

Freudian slip.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 12 Jun 2018 at 17:41

ubersonic said:
He lives in a second world **** hole in constant fear for his life, I think he was probably much happier living the millionaire European playboy lifestyle he grew up with.

Just like most dictators, even though the country is in ruins and it's people are starving they themselves live a life of opulence

The Running Man · 12 Jun 2018 at 17:50

ubersonic said:
You see the problem you have here is you're just repeating the opinion of the editors of the news sources you read. People who have actually met him tend to have nicer opinion of him, and I generally prefer first hand accounts to Daily Mail style stories.

You have to keep things in perspective, he had a military leader executed by flamethrower who was loyal to a political rival who had been plotting against him.

One of Kim's biggest problems is that he has to project an iron fist don't **** with me image to those in his own government/army who would try and overthrow him, in order to avoid a coup, while at the same time try to work with the west/SK towards fixing Korea, and those aims are sort of at odds as anything he does towards one goal injures the other.

So why will the US/West cosy up to North Korea and kim but fight to force Assad out?

NewGamer11 · 12 Jun 2018 at 18:25

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Absolutely, but that doesn't change the fact his a ruthless dictator with the blood of his own people dripping from his hands!

The following speaks volumes of the type of person trump is:

People Trump has attacked:
- Canada

He hasn't attacked Clucknada, he attacked Mangina in Chief Trudeau.

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Absolutely, but that doesn't change the fact his a ruthless dictator with the blood of his own people dripping from his hands!

The following speaks volumes of the type of person trump is:

People Trump has attacked:
- Women

People Trump has praised:
- Paedophiles
- Nazis
- White supremacists

Citation needed.
Citation needed.
Citation needed.
Citation needed.

dowie · 12 Jun 2018 at 18:26

The Running Man said:
So why will the US/West cosy up to North Korea and kim but fight to force Assad out?

There isn't currently a civil war in NK and frankly nukes are rather more worrying than human rights issues within the country. Direct intervention by western forces in Syria has mostly been targeted at ISIS aside from in the aftermath of chemical weapons being used.

Puzzled · 12 Jun 2018 at 18:33

Seems the US / South Korea military exercises will stop which is probably not a bad thing as they were pretty antagonising.

As far as I'm aware South Korea doesn't have nuclear weapons does it? Just the protection of the US which can strike anywhere.

I wonder how much of the outside world Kim has seen, seemed pretty bewildered when walking around.

Amp34 · 12 Jun 2018 at 18:41

robgmun said:
I love how every Trump hater are doing mental gymnastics to make this a non-event when they basically threw a nobel peace prize at Obama for being black

The hypocrisy around the world and in this thread is bare for all to see

Ignoring the idea he was given a peace prize for "being black"...

Obama presided over a deal with Iran which made a significant difference, both stopping the development of nuclear weapons and reduced sanctions on Iran, a deal which lasted three years before Trump blew it out of the water to international condemnation.

So far Trump has managed to get what is essentially a Memorandum of Understanding with N Korea. An understanding that they will work towards a deal, by committing to stop the war games the US and S. Korea do every year.

It's a world of difference. Besides, there's no chance of Trump getting a Nobel Prize out of. Even if he gets past the MOU and signs a proper deal it would only put him back to around 0 on the push to peace timeline. -1 for destroying the Iran nuclear deal and -0.5 for putting a potential Israel/Palestine deal back a decade or more... So far he's around -1 on that scale (I'll give him a +0.5 for the MOU with N. Korea., +1 if he gets an actual deal.).

Therein lies the issue people have with this. So far it's essentially a nothing. Credit where it's due, at least he's trying to bring N. Korea back in from the cold, something the US has been against for quite a while, but so far nothing real or tangible has been achieved, yet so far this year he's destroyed at least two other situations.

Gerard · 12 Jun 2018 at 18:53

Malevolence said:
Why does Trump's signature look like he signed 'Anal Dummy'?

it looks like a richter scale reading for when Kim Kardashian plants that utterly ludicrous ass of hers.

TJM · 12 Jun 2018 at 19:03

Trump weakens the US's military alliance with South Korea in exchange for a declaration with no firm commitments or deadlines - the exact sort that North Korea has reneged on repeatedly - and his supporters are beaming with pride for some reason. Why? Because he was able to shake someone's hand and sign a piece of paper without soiling himself or falling over?

Johno please? · 12 Jun 2018 at 19:03

Notice how Kim is only the chairman of state, why? Because the head of state is dead yet still the head of state lol mental.

Amp34 · 12 Jun 2018 at 19:05

NewGamer11 said:
He hasn't attacked Clucknada, he attacked Mangina in Chief Trudeau.

That's not how Canadians see it. The condemnation of his actions and remarks has transcended the political divide with even the most conservative and troublesome of Canada's Conservatives supporting Trudeau in this.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tru...alm-promises-of-support-for-trudeau-1.3967602

OTTAWA -- Leaders from across Canada's political spectrum voiced their support Sunday for free trade and opposition to U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum while denouncing the Trump administration's unprecedented attacks on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Among them were some of Trudeau's fiercest critics, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer and incoming Ontario premier Doug Ford, both of whom promised to stand with the government as it seeks to resolve what has become an all-out trade war with the U.S.

Former Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper, meanwhile, questioned Trump's "obsession with trade relations with Canada" during an appearance on U.S. television.

Doug Ford has been likened to the Canadian Donald, and has praised Trump in the past.

Jono8 · 12 Jun 2018 at 19:22

NewGamer11 said:
Mangina in Chief Trudeau.

Is this the well educated, tall, athletic, strong, good looking prime minister of Canada with the beautiful wife Trudeau you are talking about?

The guy that is more of a man than 99.9% of any of us on this forum will ever be?

LoadsaMoney · 12 Jun 2018 at 19:31

Greebo · 12 Jun 2018 at 19:37

Jono8 said:
He essentially inherited his Dad's whole business empire. It isn't like he won a few million on the lottery.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2016/mar/07/did-donald-trump-inherit-100-million/

If you adjust for inflation, what he was given/born into amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars and a whole business empire.

Isn’t it a fact that if he had just cashed in and left his inheritance in a bank he would be worth more today? The fact he was in the top 10 wealthiest and now barely scrapes into the top 500 says how poor of a businessman he is