Now's your time AMD

[scritchyrat]

It's the potato PSU bit that worries me. I've got a 700w Cooler Master Silent Pro and I've no idea where that stands in the hierarchy of PSUs as it's quite old. I'd hate to buy a new card and have the power supply combust before I even get to power the card up

 

[D.P.]

Can you pull something out the bag to bring back that old school 'value for money' feeling that many of us remember in the early days.

For the record I'm on the bench, literally waiting on benchies for the Ti but wondering....

Can AMD capitalize on NVIDIA's price gouge?

Discuss.

AMD syoppedth budget branding with the launch of Fiji, confirmedwith Polaris.

Nvidia offered better bang for buck with Pascal than Vegas. Even with the lower models it is not like AMD is way cheaper,you have to look carrefull at the current design and what games you play.

Say a response,AMD simply don't have anything. They have no 12nm gaming GPu so will waitu til 7nm hits consumer level end of next year. Even then the rumours are mid-level perfotmance and jist a die shrink of Vega. AMD need a brand new architecture, but that might not happen until end 2020.

Short term they can try to.lower Polaris and Vega prices,but these are big chips themselves and Vega has very expensive memory. They don't have much space to lower prices and still make a survivable profit.


As ridiculous as Nvidia prices are, they can get away with it because AMD are generations behind.


Put it this way, a 2070 will.walk all.over a Vega 64 and.spit out the gristle for breakfast, LL while being cheaper and offer more features

 

[D.P.]

Now you got me tickled. How much bump from 1080 to vega64?

The 1080 is 5-7% faster, uses less power and runs cooler. That is a downgrade unless.you have a freelance screen

 

[Mr G]

Says who? AMD's recommendation for a 750W PSU is assuming full system 100% load with a potato PSU because Joe Average doesn't know what he's doing. Unless you're overclocking the tattas off your entire system, you can easily tune up the Vega to draw less power and bring the overall requirement down.

Are these PSU calculators any good? Just used one from Bequiet! and this quotes my current config with a Vega 56 would draw 313w, really? I've not got a cheap PSU so.

 

[scritchyrat]

Wait, did you just say that a 2070 is cheaper than a Vega 64? You do realise one is £570 for the cheapest price and the other is £120 cheaper than that ATM.

 

[humbug]

AMD syoppedth budget branding with the launch of Fiji, confirmedwith Polaris.

Nvidia offered better bang for buck with Pascal than Vegas. Even with the lower models it is not like AMD is way cheaper,you have to look carrefull at the current design and what games you play.

Say a response,AMD simply don't have anything. They have no 12nm gaming GPu so will waitu til 7nm hits consumer level end of next year. Even then the rumours are mid-level perfotmance and jist a die shrink of Vega. AMD need a brand new architecture, but that might not happen until end 2020.

Short term they can try to.lower Polaris and Vega prices,but these are big chips themselves and Vega has very expensive memory. They don't have much space to lower prices and still make a survivable profit.


As ridiculous as Nvidia prices are, they can get away with it because AMD are generations behind.


Put it this way, a 2070 will.walk all.over a Vega 64 and.spit out the gristle for breakfast, LL while being cheaper and offer more features

I think the RX 580 is a better card than the GTX 1060 and cheaper.

Vega is a workstation card with gaming drivers, thats why its not a good gaming card for the shire size of it, there is very little 'Gaming R&D' in it, Fury-X was the same, the last high end card AMD made that had real Gaming R&D spent on it was the R9 290 series.

This is now going to be the way for AMD, high priced large workstation cards with gaming drivers that only compete with nVidia's ##104 and lower.

 

[Gibbo]

Now you got me tickled. How much bump from 1080 to vega64?

They trade blows so really no point unless you got freesync monitor but even then still quite pointless!

 

[ubersonic]

The 1080 is 5-7% faster, uses less power and runs cooler.

It depends on the cards you're comparing. Reference to reference I found the performance to lean a bit in either favour depending on game (while being completely inseparable to the player). "runs cooler" is context dependant, I found the V64 ran cooler than the 1080 while making the same noise and was quieter at the same temps (due to the better reference cooler). As for power draw the Vega did indeed use a tad more, however anyone who would be legitimately bothered/concerned by it wouldn't be blowing more than £200 on a graphics card anyway.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Now you got me tickled. How much bump from 1080 to vega64?

It would be a sidegrade.

There's absolutely no point in moving from a 1080 to a Vega64; however if someone was to choose between buying the 2 cards, the Vega64 'may' make more sense now consider the price is pretty much in-line with the 1080, and history is anything to go by the Vega64 will age better, last longer than the 1080 much like the 7950/7970 vs the 670/680, 290 series vs 780 series, 970/980.

 

[Wommers]

Are these PSU calculators any good? Just used one from Bequiet! and this quotes my current config with a Vega 56 would draw 313w, really? I've not got a cheap PSU so.

I have used the coolermaster one before to calculate my needs for my old 390 and just now the 1080ti. Amusingly the 1080ti only draws about 5w more than the 390

http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/

 

[humbug]

I have used the coolermaster one before to calculate my needs for my old 390 and just now the 1080ti. Amusingly the 1080ti only draws about 5w more than the 390

http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/

The 390 is a rebranded 290, which was launched in 2013, you can't compare a 5 year old 28nm card against the latest 14nm card and have it mean anything.

 

[ubersonic]

I know a lot of you guys see AMD as the unsung heroes but within the PC Graphics card realm

They're the underdogs, the underdogs are always the hero.

Remember when the plucky underdog 3DFX managed to overthrow the dominance of monoliths like S3/Matrox/ATi?

Remember when the plucky underdog Nvidia managed to overthrow the dominance of the monolithic 3DFX?

 

[ZenBaz]

I upgraded my RX580 8GB to the Red Devil Vega64 last week thanks to OCUK's first wave of AMD Friday

Running on a Coolermaster 750W PSU, with a Ryzen 5 2600x, 1 SSD, 2 Hybrid SSDs and a HDD, with a few extra fans and so far so good, no power issues.

 

[Rvf-Stu]

Any reason OCUK don't stock the Sapphire Vega cards?

The Nitro+ Vega 64 caught my attention after seeing it mentioned elsewhere but when looking noticed there are no Sapphire Vega options.

 

[Panos]

Might take the plunge for the Vega 56, will my Seasonic Focus 550 be man enough to power that you think?

As @scritchyrat said should be cautious.

What is the rest of your system, because the PSU you have it will be stretched a lot on an overclocked 8700K 5Ghz & a RX580/GTX1060 6GB.
And might not been able to hold a 9900K and those GPUs either, especially overclocked. If you undervolt them (BOTH) you might be able to scrape it.

Anything bigger and you need better PSU. If on the other hand you have something like a Ryzen 1600/2600, even overclocked you should be fine with an RX580/1060 6GB.

 

[nashathedog]

AMD is only hero by default. no one thinks they are some fantastically ethical company or anything. Just by being in the market they would help drive both AMD and Nvidia prices down. Exact same if AMD were ahead, we would be championing Nvidia to catch up to lower prices all round. Having a competeing product on the market significantly lowers price. No one is saying AMD are championing anything other than being competition driving down prices by default.

We need AMD to be competitive but as we've recently seen they'll screw us for more money whenever the opportunity arises and with Nvidia charging what they are AMD will be intending to follow suit not force prices down by much, basically they'll let the current situation dictate pricing so if Nvidia have a card that's 20% faster than AMD's equivalent AMD will follow the overpricing and sell theirs for 20% less than Nvidia's.
Between them they're damaging PC gaming by pricing it out of most peoples budget especially so with the more casual gamers. Today most of the mid and high end graphics cards now cost what a PS4 or Xbox costs, that or they cost more.

 

[Panos]

Any reason OCUK don't stock the Sapphire Vega cards?

The Nitro+ Vega 64 caught my attention after seeing it mentioned elsewhere but when looking noticed there are no Sapphire Vega options.

True. Somehow OCUK stopped selling Nitro+ at the end of June.

However if I was considering a card right now, I could get the Red Devil. Is £100 cheaper than the Nitro+
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-190-pc.html

and it would only take some liquid metal, to improve it to the best it can do

 

[scritchyrat]

I'm still running a 3570k@ 4.2 @Panos . Couple of SSDs, fans and a IDE drive makes up the rest.

 

[Panos]

I'm still running a 3570k@ 4.2 @Panos . Couple of SSDs, fans and a IDE drive makes up the rest.

3570K @ 4.2 you will be looking for 120-150W max load depending overclocking settings.

RX580 makes more sense given the PSU. Vega 56/GTX1070 could do it, but I wouldn't try to overclock.
What is your current GPU btw? Because you might get something more powerful second hand, at less money and wait until 7nm next year which is bound to burn less power.

Imho instead of looking to spend a lot on a GPU, maybe consider smaller upgrades.
Like buying a second hand card for half the price, and consider upgrading the CPU with the left over.

 

[scritchyrat]

970 ATM.

Appreciate the help Panos

*edit* I'm in the process of planning a new build but I want to go the m-itx route but the Ryzen boards are a bit lacking in that area so I'm waiting to see what is out in the new year (if anything) in that regard before I start buying the assorted bits and pieces.