Nurse arrested for murdering babies

I wonder what had more effect the misandry or the racism? Don't see why they'd not take people seriously if one/both of those weren't an issue.
 
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StriderX said:
I wonder what had more effect the misandry or the racism? Don't see why they'd not take people seriously if one/both of those weren't an issue.
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Oh for God's sake. THIS is why the trust wanted to silence any further crucifixion of the Countess of Chester Hospital, it was a damn hole that had a simply appalling record across the board and the trust could have done without a maniac nurse being brought into the limelight for murdering umpteen babies over a very long period of time, and so elements of the management did their damnedest to silence those few with a conscience. Whatever their race, creed, religion or nationality.

Stop playing the race card, it's totally irrelevant here. By whoever, whatever and whenever this was brought to the attention of the trust, it was more dire news they felt should be quashed, however many more babies might have to die. IMO.


Countess of Chester Hospital trust ranked among England's worst​

The Countess of Chester Hospital Trust is failing to meet every single one of its targets as pressure mounts on the NHS.

A hospital trust in Cheshire has been ranked among the worst in England as NHS services continue to struggle under mounting pressure. The Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust was placed 116th out of the 120 trusts in England in the Daily Telegraph's new NHS data tracker.


It gives the Countess an overall rating of 69.5 per cent when judging its performance against targets. These are based on four areas: treatment, cancer, A&E and diagnostic. The data shows that the hospital trust is failing to meet targets in all of these areas.

www.cheshire-live.co.uk

Countess of Chester Hospital trust ranked among England's worst

The Countess of Chester Hospital Trust is failing to meet every single one of its targets as pressure mounts on the NHS
www.cheshire-live.co.uk www.cheshire-live.co.uk

The place is shudderingly bad, mismanaged and bent, IMO.

The NHS is a lost cause, has been for years, get shot of it and stop throwing yet more good money after bad, it's irreparable.
 
Chris Wilson said:
The NHS is a lost cause, has been for years, get shot of it and stop throwing yet more good money after bad, it's irreparable.
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You do realise that I get a lot of Clinical Negligence claims that are to do with Private Hospitals?
This is mainly because the same Clinicians also work in the Private Hospitals and we tell the Solicitors that it didn't happen at our Trust, it's their job to now get it out of the patients where they actually were.
 
200sols said:
So they are sure she committed the murders. I'm not exactly sure what your point is here?
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There is a difference between the jury being sure of her committing murder and knowing for a fact that she did it.

Hence my original comment you quoted: the only person that will even know for a fact is her (assuming that she’s not suffering delusions).
 
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Bug One said:
And replace it with what, BUPA?

Just because there's one poorly run hospital, in your opinion, we should ditch public healthcare entirely?
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There are dozens of them, run shockingly badly, from both a clinical care and financial point of view, and it's been going on for decades. It's broken, bent and the only thing it's good at is pleading for yet more money and trying to justify strikes. IMO. Euthanise it....
 
SexyGreyFox said:
You do realise that I get a lot of Clinical Negligence claims that are to do with Private Hospitals?
This is mainly because the same Clinicians also work in the Private Hospitals and we tell the Solicitors that it didn't happen at our Trust, it's their job to now get it out of the patients where they actually were.
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Yes, I'm fully aware there are lots of clinicians working the NHS and / or in private practice who vary in incompetence from sloppy to holding false quaifications, to needing striking off immediately, but "reasons" preclude timely action to that effect being carried out.
 
Tom_ed1987 said:
I really hope some of the NHS management that apparently brushed concerns aside so as not to rock the boat are properly held to account.
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They won’t be. We have a serious issue in this country of accountability not being held widely enough.

All of the managers involved who ignored the concerns raised need to be charged with manslaughter quite frankly for not only allowing it to happen, but allowing it to continue happening even after concerns where raised. None of them should be allowed to work in public services ever again.
 
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fez said:
To be fair, people move around the NHS all the time. My missus probably moves every 2 years on average. Especially once you get reasonably senior its much easier to climb the ladder if you move trusts.

That being said, they aren't going to get away with this just by moving around the NHS.
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The CEO shuffle is mad in the NHS, moving talentless people every year or two all over the country.
 
danlightbulb said:
Cant express support or otherwise for the verdict without seeing the main evidence points myself.

One thing worth commenting on though, is that there were 22 separate incidents according to the news and 7 of those have been declared murder. It seems a bit odd to me, its very likely if she did 7 then she did all of them. I believe from the reporting that 4 were undecided and 2 were declared not guilty - on what basis can she be not guilty of 2 counts but guilty without doubt of 7?
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I think, each incident is judged separately, so you weigh up the evidence for that specific incident you are analysing. Her being found not guilty for those other incidents could simply mean that the evidence for that particular incident was insufficient to get a guilty verdict.
 
Tom_ed1987 said:
I really hope some of the NHS management that apparently brushed concerns aside so as not to rock the boat are properly held to account.
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They rarely are, they aren't regulated and just get shuffled to another post.

Trashy article in the Mail but the CEO's story is a prime example of the management shuffle:

www.dailymail.co.uk

Revealed: NHS bosses of the Countess of Chester Hospital

The bosses at a hospital where killer nurse Lucy Letby was free to murder and attack newborn babies can today be revealed.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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From reading her post it she's seriously mentally ill and clearly a danger to others, i'm not a shrink so cant even think to diagnose whats wrong - but the line where you are causing harm to others is I think one that's hard to cross.

With these kind of stories I always get a bit antsy as there are a lot of people that have serious illneses in our brains that are not causing harm and these edge cases trigger wars on nutters who are almost always quiet, struggling and passive
 
tbf with my schizophrenia i'm open with it and my peers kind of expect it and we're fine I think, there's no human murder going on; mostly just saying completely inappropriate things and going down weird rabbit holes amnd when it gets too much and all the colors and sounds get jumbled they are cool.
 
Seems the experts can't really decide why she did it. She didn't have anything to gain by doing it. One possible reason was that she enjoyed the parents being upset.
 
neocon said:
Seems the experts can't really decide why she did it. She didn't have anything to gain by doing it. One possible reason was that she enjoyed the parents being upset.
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I thought she had wrote stuff on her notes like them being married and having kids?
I might have made that up :)
 
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