NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Aegis]

Considering it was only just revealed by Nvidia a week ago I doubt Cyberpunk will get this until next year but it will be interesting to see.

Yes, new tech is nice but we can't currently even get DLSS 2/FSR/XeSS consistently implemented in PC games - let alone even more niche features.

I'd love to see DLAA in every new PC release but even The Last of Us (supposedly Sony's crown jewel) doesn't have it (and has needed to have DLSS 3 modded into it).

 

[mrk]

Cyberpunk might get the update soon, the next update pending is in June/July as the media get hands on with Phantom Liberty and rumours were around the new neural update to ray tracing being patched din too since Nvidia are using the game as a tech showcase for path tracing so it makes sense really. Phantom Liberty will also include path tracing as it's a DLC to Cyberpunk so expect to see other stuff to show off what's possible on RTX, and Nvidia will want this to happen to create an even bigger gap against AMD no doubt.

Also reading the release notes on the new neural radiance update, it's said to be really easy to to implement so existing RT enabled games should be capable assuming they aren't AMD sponsored titles. The develoeprs have to do even less work as they're not telling the engine to calculate all says sent, 96% of rays will be
predicted in realtime by the Tensor cores whilst only the last few % of rays are fully traced - That's a significant performance uplift where you're scaling down from having to trace thousands of rays down to just a handful leaving all that extra headroom for performance as the Tensor cores are doing the AI calculations.

The only snag is that the more tensor cores a card has the bigger the boost will be, so lower end RTX cards won't see as big a boost as the higher end 40 series cards I guess which makes sense.

the thing to remember is that nvdiia are trying to make it easy for developers to implement this stuff into games, and make it easy to patch it into existing games. it's down to the devs to choose whether they want to get some kudos for existing titles with a quick patch update to support it, or not. Don't expect these to be supported anything AMD sponsored though.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

To be fair Jensen is doing what's best for Nvidia, it's their customers that fuel the behaviour It's same when people complain about the politicians but they are voted in by the public. Both of them are well aware the average consumer is an idiot

Yup, it's turkeys voting for Christmas

 

[Dicehunter]

Cyberpunk might get the update soon, the next update pending is in June/July as the media get hands on with Phantom Liberty and rumours were around the new neural update to ray tracing being patched din too since Nvidia are using the game as a tech showcase for path tracing so it makes sense really. Phantom Liberty will also include path tracing as it's a DLC to Cyberpunk so expect to see other stuff to show off what's possible on RTX, and Nvidia will want this to happen to create an even bigger gap against AMD no doubt.

Also reading the release notes on the new neural radiance update, it's said to be really easy to to implement so existing RT enabled games should be capable assuming they aren't AMD sponsored titles. The develoeprs have to do even less work as they're not telling the engine to calculate all says sent, 96% of rays will be
predicted in realtime by the Tensor cores whilst only the last few % of rays are fully traced - That's a significant performance uplift where you're scaling down from having to trace thousands of rays down to just a handful leaving all that extra headroom for performance as the Tensor cores are doing the AI calculations.

The only snag is that the more tensor cores a card has the bigger the boost will be, so lower end RTX cards won't see as big a boost as the higher end 40 series cards I guess which makes sense.

the thing to remember is that nvdiia are trying to make it easy for developers to implement this stuff into games, and make it easy to patch it into existing games. it's down to the devs to choose whether they want to get some kudos for existing titles with a quick patch update to support it, or not. Don't expect these to be supported anything AMD sponsored though.

I wonder with it using Tensor cores if that would also impact DLSS and Frame Generation performance ?

 

[mrk]

I doubt it will make an impact, they are immensely fast AI/ML data processing cores designed for real-time calculations so all of those features should be capable of running at the same time across the Tensor core estate tbh.

Like for example frame gen being enabled has not resulted in any performance drop, you can enable FG with and without using DLSS, enabling it increases fps as expected with no hit to other components of the board or system.

 

[Combat Fighter]

4090 won't be half price used either just watch 3090s are currently going used on ebay for £850, they launched at £1500, so not quite half price, and that launched 2 years ago, so a 4090 at half price a year from now is slim chance for sure

Well that’s BS. I’ve seen loads go for £600.

 

[mrk]

How can it be bs is that's literally what you can see on ebay right now under buy it now? If they go for less then it's an auction and the final price was that, doesn't mean that's the norm, I'm going by the majority of buy it now prices for used cards.

 

[Dicehunter]

Well that’s BS. I’ve seen loads go for £600.

If they are going for less than 800 it's for a quick sale by someone who doesn't really give a hoot about money.

 

[mrk]

Obviously exceptions apply to everything, but it's not the norm. The average selling price seems to be up to £850 buy it now, some going for £900, some for £700 - Ratings on the lower priced ones aren't too favourable however so maybe that's why, take a risk and chance it etc.

My 3080 Ti sold for £725, again this was an exception, not the norm.

 

[DeathStorm]

The most recently sold 3090's went for £590, £580, £646, £850, £640, £570, £640, £580, £670, £490. The cheapest you can buy right now is £610.

Quite a saving when you compare what those 3090's were selling for at their peak.

 

[Dicehunter]

Anyone selling for less than 800 needs to give their head a wobble.

 

[TNA]

Hopefully they will be going for around the same prices in 12 or so months time. If I am not gaming much I might sell it and just use my laptop in the meantime and use the money towards a 5070/5080 or a few months later

 

[Purgatory]

Well that’s BS. I’ve seen loads go for £600.

You can also find 4090s being sold second hand now for £1100 for expensive AIB models, so by next year £600-£700

 

[RavenXXX2]

4090s will be sub £600 when the faster £799 5080 hits the street.

 

[JediFragger]

4090s will be sub £600 when the faster £799 5080 hits the street.

Someone's got his crystal balls out....

 

[Nexus18]

I honestly won't be surprised if jenson comes out with "it's safe to upgrade ampere friends" and has the 5070 matching 4090 for £600/700

 

[Dicehunter]

I honestly won't be surprised if jenson comes out with "it's safe to upgrade ampere friends" and has the 5070 matching 4090 for £600/700

Well it's another 12+ months away so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[HACO]

Awkward time to be stuck with a 3080 10GB. 3080 itself is fine but the 10GB VRAM is an issue. 4080 and 4090 are ridiculously priced. Not a lot of upgrade options worth the price.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

I honestly won't be surprised if jenson comes out with "it's safe to upgrade ampere friends" and has the 5070 matching 4090 for £600/700

But will it come with 12GB or 16GB of memory?

 

[Nexus18]

But will it come with 12GB or 16GB of memory?

Hopefully 4090 users will get the benefit of 24gb vram unlike the 3090 lot before the 5070 arrives Having said that, most of the 3090 owners have already upgraded to a 4090