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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Personality+ said:
I remember buying a GTX 690 which was an SLI card packed into one if I'm not mistaken and the price was either 699.99 or 799.99 at launch and I believe it was the best gpu you could get at the time whenever it launched.

And I thought it was pricey at the time, haven't bought a new gaming pc since then and upgraded to a 4090 suprim x costing me almost £1900. I could have got a 2nd hand model or a zotac etc for 400 less but that is an insane jump for the higher end however you spin it. Having said that I'm hitting 144hz without breaking a sweat in every game at max settings... and probably will be hitting 240hz so the expectations for a high end card have matched the price increases imo.
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Will you be keeping the 4090 equally as long?
 
GhostDog1981 said:
Will you be keeping the 4090 equally as long?
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I got rid of the previous pc a year later as I wasn't really enjoying pc gaming the way I do now. It was more social gaming that kept me on console back then.

Whereas now I'm mostly playing games by myself without the group of friends I had back then. So I'm after graphical performance and higher framerates and of course I make more money now than I did back then.

I still think when you go above the 1k price range you should be delivering amazing performance to the consumer and the 4090 does that. I'll probably keep this GPU for 2-3 years but I'd be lying if I didn't consider a 5090 (if select titles require it) I don't see that for now.

I think the 690 had good performance for a few years? I remembering playing games at 60hz 1440p back in 2012 on it... so it must have been amazing for its time.
 
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Been giving portal RTX a go. It's shiny and looks/feels surprisingly good with DLSS performance and frame gen on. Definitely do get a bit of an IQ hit at those settings but it still looks pretty good, is very playable and you get that wobbly glass effect which I think is the most important thing.
 
Yaayuh! said:
Performance of the 690 fell off a cliff eventually as it was just a 2GB card. That and really depended on how well SLI was supported in a game.
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Yeah I remember sli stutter, at the time I tried numerous games and didn't have an issue with any of them in that sense. I believe metro was the one game I couldn't run at a smooth 60fps at the time @1440p from my personal catalogue. Will be interesting to see how the 4080 and 4090 hold up once numerous truly next gen titles are available. Without any of the software aids.
 
t2na said:
But you can't class GPU's in tiers based off resolution, you need to take into account refresh rates and quality settings too.

I think Wikipedia does a good job of classifying cards - although I would be more inclined to move the 3080Ti into 'high-end'.

Entry-level
  • GeForce RTX 3050
  • GeForce RTX 3060 (8 GB)
Mid-range
  • GeForce RTX 3060 (12 GB)
  • GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
High-end
  • GeForce RTX 3070
  • GeForce RTX 3070 Ti
  • GeForce RTX 3080
  • GeForce RTX 3080 (12 GB)
Enthusiast
  • GeForce RTX 3080 Ti
  • GeForce RTX 3090
  • GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
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I'm not sure that I agree there. The"high end" has the same number of cards as entry+mid range. The 3060 is a whole tier to itself AND half another.

3050/60 - entry
3070 - mid
3080 - high
3090 - enthusiast

How it's clocked, how it's crippled or how much memory it has doesn't define it's tier. The underlying silicon does.
 
uscool said:
4060ti nvidia is calling 1080p card that isnt mid tier to me help us if anyone thinks that card is mid tier performance
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Exactly

Any card regardless of the name cannot call itself mid tier when its performance target is 1080p gaming in 2023. 1080p GPUs are entry level, mid tier is 1440p gaming and high end/enthusiast is 4k GPUs

Now let's look at Nvidia slides. They benchmark the 4060 series at 1080p, so these are entry level cards. They benchmark 4070 series at 1440p so these are mid range cards. And they benchmark both the 4080 series and 4090 series at 4k, so these are high end and enthusiast cards
 
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I think the "ranges" get a bit weird because the 4090 can be considered a prosumer card sort of like the Titans. But I defer to the infallible tiers sticky. :D

Edit: Also I'm not sure we should just accept Nvidia's marketing when they're blatantly trying to drive margins up.
 
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Doop! said:
The £250 Xbox Series S targets 1080p gaming. The £389 RTX 4060ti target 1080p gaming. That ain't mid-range. It's overpriced.
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Really we're quoting console gaming PR now? The Series X is no match to the 4060ti let alone the Series S.

MS also announced Series X price increase yesterday ;)
 
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Raelgun said:
What games is it better at?
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You're wasting your time. He's deluded. It's been covered loads of times that you can't really build a console destroying game for under £650

Just look at almost every digital foundry game analysis lately and you will see PC games are plagued with issues and stutter that cancels out a lot of their advantage anyway.
 
Grim5 said:
Exactly

Any card regardless of the name cannot call itself mid tier when its performance target is 1080p gaming in 2023. 1080p GPUs are entry level, mid tier is 1440p gaming and high end/enthusiast is 4k GPUs

Now let's look at Nvidia slides. They benchmark the 4060 series at 1080p, so these are entry level cards. They benchmark 4070 series at 1440p so these are mid range cards. And they benchmark both the 4080 series and 4090 series at 4k, so these are high end and enthusiast cards
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But it's the Nvidia slides doing the performance targets not the end user, right? Like any good marketing, slides can be made to tell the story you want to tell.

We're free to use whatever hardware we want at any resolution we want. It might be less than ideal to use a 3070 at 4k but with DLSS and lower settings you'll probably get away with 60FPS in some games.

I really don't think resolution is comparable to card tier - because refresh rate is such an important factor to consider. I also really don't think resolutions should be tiered... Is 4k60 a higher tier than 1440p240hz?

A lot of cards can serve both purposes, I have friends who have the 3060 12GB that play 1440p60hz for single player games and 1080p240hz for FPS games. I don't believe that 1080p240hz is entry level in the slightest - and the 4060 can do that.

Ultimately I think the real issue is all down to Nvidia and their pricing and product stack vs. what we consider to be entry/mid/high-end. 70 series was never mid tier, it was always high tier - and it absolutely shouldn't be considered mid-tier at 589 quid...
 
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