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NVIDIA 4000 Series

gjbf1 said:
Probably. The vRAM probably costs a bit? Especially 24GB. There's R&D and software support to take into account. Plus shipping and packaging etc.

Markup is easily 100%+ though.
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vRAM market prices are fully known and easy to check online. NVIDIA most likely pays even lower prices than market ones, as they order in bulk. Currently it's about $25 per 8GB of GDDR6. Pretty much everything that's on the graphics card has prices posted online, aside GPU itself - that only NVIDIA knows and they don't advertise it.
 
Lightnix said:
Takeaways for me are: it's technically a worse value proposition than the 8GB model, we kind of knew that already, the markup is mad.

It does show where 8GB gets bottlenecked today and this will likely get worse in the not too distant future as games inevitably reach for more VRAM. VRAM limits are definitely applicable at this performance level.

The markup is still a **** take.

The 4060 ti is still unnecessarily bottlenecked for its price point and 12GB would have been the sweet spot but Nvidia have played silly buggers with their SKUs and memory buses.
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Considering they pay about $20 for 8GB of GDDR6 now (about $25 is current market spot price), there's really no reason to go down to 12GB to get lower price with such expensive card - you'd save literally few USD on that at most (just vRAM price itself). The rest is just whatever they decided to charge people, but it's not vRAM price difference, as that's negligible in this price range.
 
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Tinek said:
that only NVIDIA knows and they don't advertise it.
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You can work out the cost of producing silicon of that die size (and complexity) - though nVidia again doesn't usually pay the market rate and that doesn't include any other costs involved besides materials and production.
 
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Rroff said:
You can work out the cost of producing silicon of that die size - though nVidia again doesn't usually pay the market rate and that doesn't include any other costs involved besides materials and production.
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That tells you nothing, as they add to the price the whole R&D cost, then there are logistics costs as well etc. And considering they developed most of it for the enterprise market and just shared the tech with gaming one (cuts R&D cost), we just have no clue how much they really spent and how much they charge for that in the price. Production cost is just one part of the final price of the GPU.

However, there's 0 additional logistics or R&D cost between 4060Ti 8GB and 16GB and vRAM price difference is around $20, so all the rest of the price is just full markup.
 
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Will there be an RTX4080 Ti and if so when and also how much vram will it have, more than 12GB hopefully but probably less than 24GB I guess?
 
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