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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Nexus18 said:
The sad part is, there is still absolutely nothing worthwhile for 6800xt/6900xt/3080 owners who got their gpus for MSRP :( 4090 is the best upgrade for me but can't justify £1+k on a gpu especially one that may still have fire risk issues, ultimately, I don't think I am going to have a choice though if games keep on getting released in a **** state, hopefully amds fsr 3 will be good and us ampere/rdna 2 owners some extra longevity :p
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This is where I'm at too. I just do not see the 4080 as a worthwhile upgrade to my 3080 for the cost of it, it can stay on the shelf for me. Were it to be 800 quid, then I might do it. But at this rate, I'll be waiting for the 5000 series as this 3080 is still giving me performance I like.
 
Gerard said:
Who says amd are basically giving up?
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Their offerings don't exactly say they're not?

Look, I would love AMD to rock up to the party with competitive offerings in terms of features but they don't, FSR2 looks crud compared to DLSS and the prices are slightly less than NVidia.

When you have a vastly inferior market share, you need to make a better effort than they have.
 
heatonpkmassive said:
This is where I'm at too. I just do not see the 4080 as a worthwhile upgrade to my 3080 for the cost of it, it can stay on the shelf for me. Were it to be 800 quid, then I might do it. But at this rate, I'll be waiting for the 5000 series as this 3080 is still giving me performance I like.
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Yep. Needed to be that price on launch. Would have got one. I would not buy it for that even today to be honest.

DLSS will do the job until 5000 series :D
 
heatonpkmassive said:
Their offerings don't exactly say they're not?

Look, I would love AMD to rock up to the party with competitive offerings in terms of features but they don't, FSR2 looks crud compared to DLSS and the prices are slightly less than NVidia.

When you have a vastly inferior market share, you need to make a better effort than they have.
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Fsr may look 'crud' compared to dlss, but it took nvidia plenty of iterations of dlss to get it where it is now. And early opinions on fs3 seem quite positive.

This generation of cards have been mostly a disappointment, besides the 4090 there's not really been any big leaps, then factor in the whole rejigging of card names by both 'sides' and nvidias sly little 2 4080s attempt, that pretty much put the cherry on the turd pie.
 
Gerard said:
Fsr may look 'crud' compared to dlss, but it took nvidia plenty of iterations of dlss to get it where it is now. And early opinions on fs3 seem quite positive.

This generation of cards have been mostly a disappointment, besides the 4090 there's not really been any big leaps, then factor in the whole rejigging of card names by both 'sides' and nvidias sly little 2 4080s attempt, that pretty much put the cherry on the turd pie.
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All the early opinions on fsr 3 are to be quite frank, pointless. They were based of what amd "showed" (which was very limited/short footage), no one has had a proper hands on yet (and latency will be key here given nvidia are relying on hardware to overcome this and amd aren't from my understanding). The initial PR titles for FSR 3 should also be taken with a huge pinch of salt too as look at what happened with fsr 2, it was pretty good in deathloop then it got out in the wild outside of PR sponsorship deals and ended up being pretty awful 90% of the time. I am fully expecting the "dlss 3 killer!!!!" videos etc. to start popping up after the first game with fsr 3 is reviewed :D

The thing I find quite hilarious with fsr is that the game with the best fsr implementation is cp 2077......

DLSS 1 was indeed dog ****, the worst upscaling to date but that doesn't excuse amd from being basically 3 years behind on this area now, difference is dlss is continually improving where as fsr doesn't seem to be much, if at all and amd don't seem to be doing anything to address the constant points that are highlighted in every comparison but again, this all comes down to how amd have picked this path i.e. hands of approach and let the developers fine tune to get the best from it, which as we all know, ain't going to happen, they need to adopt a similar approach to dlss with t-shirt size fit so at least devs don't have to spend too much time to get good results.
 
Gerard said:
Fsr may look 'crud' compared to dlss, but it took nvidia plenty of iterations of dlss to get it where it is now. And early opinions on fs3 seem quite positive.

This generation of cards have been mostly a disappointment, besides the 4090 there's not really been any big leaps, then factor in the whole rejigging of card names by both 'sides' and nvidias sly little 2 4080s attempt, that pretty much put the cherry on the turd pie.
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That's all fair comment but at the end of the day, I want what works. And unfortunately for all of us, DLSS is ahead of FSR in that regard. We shouldn't even need those things were it not for lazy game devs..
 
heatonpkmassive said:
That's all fair comment but at the end of the day, I want what works. And unfortunately for all of us, DLSS is ahead of FSR in that regard. We shouldn't even need those things were it not for lazy game devs..
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We need these upscalers because leather jacket man pushed ray tracing too early just to give tensor cores something to do. Unfortunate but that's how it is. And lazy game devs benefit as a result as they can basically half their optimisation time and let upscalers do the bulk of the work.
 
Gerard said:
We need these upscalers because leather jacket man pushed ray tracing too early just to give tensor cores something to do. Unfortunate but that's how it is. And lazy game devs benefit as a result as they can basically half their optimisation time and let upscalers do the bulk of the work.
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I'm not averse to giving leather jacket man grief, I don't believe it's "safe to upgrade" yet and that's all because of him.
 
No matter which side you think is better/worse, a thing to remember is neither cares whether you get the best deal possible.

The customer getting a good product is just a side effect of two huge corporations striving to earn as much money as possible. It's sad but completely natural, they're hardly in this for charity. We only get good deals when they're at each others throats.

AMD would scalp you to death if they could, it's just that Nvidia has done it first so, instead of really competing, they just set the pricing a bit lower as they knew it'd fly in the current market.

They basically used Nvidia to drive up the prices of their own products and even resorted to similar naming shenanigans as the 7800XT is a replacement for the 6700XT, not a X800-class GPU. They did the bare minimum to stay competitive.

Similarly, Nvidia is trying to flog the 4080 12GB as the 4070Ti and even cut the price by 100 bucks while still turning a profit, which should give you a rough idea of how overpriced their lineup is.
 
Gerard said:
Fsr may look 'crud' compared to dlss, but it took nvidia plenty of iterations of dlss to get it where it is now. And early opinions on fs3 seem quite positive.

This generation of cards have been mostly a disappointment, besides the 4090 there's not really been any big leaps, then factor in the whole rejigging of card names by both 'sides' and nvidias sly little 2 4080s attempt, that pretty much put the cherry on the turd pie.
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Besides the 4090 every other Nvidia card is using a smaller die to last gen which is why the performance is disappointing while AMDs best effort can only really match Nvidia’s second best effort on that smaller cut down die so RDNA3 is also a failure compared to RDNA2 which matched the 102.
 
I have a 3070 ti and it's an awesome card but because of that damn DLSS 3/FG it lags behind in games such as The Witcher 3 (next gen) and Starfield. Developers not optimizing correctly! If a 4080 was £800 or less I'd buy one right now but over a grand is a joke
 
Joxeon said:
Besides the 4090 every other Nvidia card is using a smaller die to last gen which is why the performance is disappointing while AMDs best effort can only really match Nvidia’s second best effort on that smaller cut down die so RDNA3 is also a failure compared to RDNA2 which matched the 102.
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But that's not true, the only effort AMD can't match is the 4090. Every other card below the AMD card is cheaper + faster. 99.9% of gamers don't care who holds the absolute performance crown, they care what performance they can get for x pounds
 
Gerard said:
Yup, always been the way because 'mUh DrIvUrS' is usually the reason trotted out.
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Plus, the huge marketing. A guy at work wanted a new GPU a few years ago, so I reccomended a cheaper as fast AMD card, might have been 480/580 timeline with 8GB for some longevity, but he pulled a face and bought a 4GB NV alternative and then came to me crying that his games kept stuttering and FPS was poor. I just turned round and said "Oh really", and carried on working.

If someone has a mental block about a brand, any brand of any product, they'd rather be proven wrong and buy it anyway. I've had this numerous times with people partiuclarly at work, their eyes glaze over, mumble "drivers" or pull a face and and waste another £50-£100. So now I just reccomend whatever overpriced NV card suits and make them happy, it's partiucalry funny when I know they like modding SKYRIM and I've just told them to buy an 8GB card. 8GB conks out very easily in SKYRIM I know because I've done it.

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