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Hello. Is a 4060 still a bad deal for £290? It would be a good fit for a small case PC I want to build, but its catching all sorts of flak.

Plusses for me is efficency and small physical size, it's much faster than the RX580 I have now. Going to be playing VR with an original Vive, 1080p desk games (for now) and 4K console port type games on a TV.

The jump to a 4070 is too much price wise, AMD alternatives suffer in VR so I'm told.
 
phil675 said:
Hello. Is a 4060 still a bad deal for £290? It would be a good fit for a small case PC I want to build, but its catching all sorts of flak.

Plusses for me is efficency and small physical size, it's much faster than the RX580 I have now. Going to be playing VR with an original Vive, 1080p desk games (for now) and 4K console port type games on a TV.

The jump to a 4070 is too much price wise, AMD alternatives suffer in VR so I'm told.
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If it's all you can get, then get it. For me it's a 200 quid card, but NGreedia see it differently. I'd try and save for something better though.
 
phil675 said:
Hello. Is a 4060 still a bad deal for £290? It would be a good fit for a small case PC I want to build, but its catching all sorts of flak.

Plusses for me is efficency and small physical size, it's much faster than the RX580 I have now. Going to be playing VR with an original Vive, 1080p desk games (for now) and 4K console port type games on a TV.

The jump to a 4070 is too much price wise, AMD alternatives suffer in VR so I'm told.
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The RTX4060 should be an RTX4050 at best IMHO. The issue is both companies have renamed cards and jacked the price up!
 
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phil675 said:
Hello. Is a 4060 still a bad deal for £290? It would be a good fit for a small case PC I want to build, but its catching all sorts of flak.

Plusses for me is efficency and small physical size, it's much faster than the RX580 I have now. Going to be playing VR with an original Vive, 1080p desk games (for now) and 4K console port type games on a TV.

The jump to a 4070 is too much price wise, AMD alternatives suffer in VR so I'm told.
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It`s a £200 card and no more. Just have to wait and see what happen on the run up to Christmas.
 
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I have been looking at the geforce rtx™ 4080 founders edition , how is the cooling on it or should I look at a 3rd party one ?
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My 4080FE tops out at 65c (playing Starfield) in a Lian-Li Air Mini. That's with a temperature in my office of 32c at worst (been hot down south recently). It has a tendency to run in no fan mode a lot, which speaks to the cooler being decent, at least to me. Usually it runs at under 60c playing most games.

I would recommend it over the 3rd party versions personally, if nothing else it looks better than pretty much all of them.
 
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A competition for who is worse, isn't something that I truly care about the ultimate winner in. When both teams seem trying their hardest to compete for the title, they are both the problem.
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Nvidia have 90% of the market, and as such they dictate what happens in the market, they're far more to blame.
 
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Nvidia have 90% of the market, and as such they dictate what happens in the market, they're far more to blame.
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And the reason they have 90% of the market is because amd haven't stepped up or rather it's a case of too little, too late, if amd focussed on their own path and delivering rather than waiting on nvidia and following their footsteps, the market would be a lot better. RDNA 2 was fantastic but the lack of upscaling and rt focus has harmed them considerably along with their "initial" pricing not being much better than nvidia (same with rdna 3), that and their stock for rdna 2 being pitiful because they were supplying 80% of their hardware to the new gen consoles.

One thing that is very clear with this whole naming scheme, pricing and gimping gpus in one way or another surrounding vram/memory bandwidth and so on is that there is definitely some dodgy inner workings happening between amd/lisa and jen/nvidia..... The only gpus worth buying if coming from rdna 2/ampere are the 7900xt(x) and 4090 (4080 too if you can get it for <1k)
 
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AMD should've been trying to absolutely crush nvidia with price/perf, not just deliver something slightly better and call it a day.

I want the best possible power efficiency, framegen just in case and better RT performance so even between the 7800xt and 4070 I'd still lean towards the latter. Had they worked on the new FSR implementation and improved their RT tech, it would be no contest with 16GB VRAM and the pricing.

4070 is too weak and feels like a stopgap card at best that's worth buying used, 4070Ti is a rip-off at retail and I will only get a 4080 if I can get it under 1k (where it should be from the start IMO) which means shady sellers or used and most likely warranty problems.

Feels super weird to have absolutely no sensible options from a 2070S for such a long time.
 
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It looks to me like AMD don't want to compete at the moment. They can obviously make a decent midrange GPU. You have to answer why they wouldn't want lots of sales? Maybe they don't want to spend resource on it, don't have the capacity or think that Nvidia will just take the market share back with a pricing change and is therefore pointless?

I've never met a corporate type that doesn't want lots of easy sales so there is more at play than "they can't be bothered".
 
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AMD should've been trying to absolutely crush nvidia with price/perf, not just deliver something slightly better and call it a day.

I want the best possible power efficiency, framegen just in case and better RT performance so even between the 7800xt and 4070 I'd still lean towards the latter. Had they worked on the new FSR implementation and improved their RT tech, it would be no contest with 16GB VRAM and the pricing.

4070 is too weak and feels like a stopgap card at best that's worth buying used, 4070Ti is a rip-off at retail and I will only get a 4080 if I can get it under 1k (where it should be from the start IMO) which means shady sellers or used and most likely warranty problems.

Feels super weird to have absolutely no sensible options from a 2070S for such a long time.
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Yep. AMD really dropped the ball again. It has been a long time since they come out with something that crushes Nvidia, whether that is sheer performance or price for performance.

Now I am not expecting the former, but the latter is what they used to do regularly in the past and always get my money. Now they don't even do that, so why go AMD? For extra vram that may come in handy by the time I don't own the card anyway?
 
Troezar said:
It looks to me like AMD don't want to compete at the moment. They can obviously make a decent midrange GPU. You have to answer why they wouldn't want lots of sales? Maybe they don't want to spend resource on it, don't have the capacity or think that Nvidia will just take the market share back with a pricing change and is therefore pointless?

I've never met a corporate type that doesn't want lots of easy sales so there is more at play than "they can't be bothered".
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Something does seem amiss. The lack of effort from them keeps making me think they are in talks with Nvidia because surely they should be doing better if not?

They should be looking to do something with Samsung maybe and secure tons of capacity that way and hit new price for performance price points in the mid range. Would sell loads and get some much needed market share.
 
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I have ran both AMD and NVidia cards in the past but AMD need to realise they have very little market share and as such, it's up to them to be competitive.

They haven't chosen to be that, they've chosen the same route as NVidia so the poster above saying NVidia are more to blame is incorrect, they are as bad as one another. What NVidia can be blamed for is initiating this approach that both manufacturers now seem to have taken, much to our detriment.
 
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