NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Amatsubu]

Yep. AMD really dropped the ball again. It has been a long time since they come out with something that crushes Nvidia, whether that is sheer performance or price for performance.

Now I am not expecting the former, but the latter is what they used to do regularly in the past and always get my money. Now they don't even do that, so why go AMD? For extra vram that may come in handy by the time I don't own the card anyway?

Yeah, people get hung up on the whole VRAM debate but by the time games CONSISTENTLY push over 12GB both the 4070 and the 7800xt most likely won't have had enough grunt to even deliver comfortable framerates, granted I still think 12GB on the 407Ti is taking the **** and it's putting me off even though the card would most likely still be fine for like 3 years or so.

As for AMD not trying, I think they just defaulted to small, low-cost one-ups to eat a slice of the cake without putting in much effort instead of going all out and making nvidia sweat a bit more. The way it is now, they don't need to do anything, maybe cut the price on the 4070 a bit....

10% of the market but it's AMD fault the GPU market is so screwed. Ok then.

Have you actually read what's been said here? No one says it's AMD's fault but it's worse than it could be because they're resting on their laurels. It's up to the underdog to fight back and do at least some damage to the competition. Nvidia do whatever they please because there's no one to show them that they can't anymore.

I'm completely impartial and had been waiting like hell for AMD to screw Nvidia up so that the customer benefits but they just went out with a fart.

 

[Apex]

Yeah, people get hung up on the whole VRAM debate but by the time games CONSISTENTLY push over 12GB both the 4070 and the 7800xt most likely won't have had enough grunt to even deliver comfortable framerates, granted I still think 12GB on the 407Ti is taking the **** and it's putting me off even though the card would most likely still be fine for like 3 years or so.

As for AMD not trying, I think they just defaulted to small, low-cost one-ups to eat a slice of the cake without putting in much effort instead of going all out and making nvidia sweat a bit more. The way it is now, they don't need to do anything, maybe cut the price on the 4070 a bit....



Have you actually read what's been said here? No one says it's AMD's fault but it's worse than it could be because they're resting on their laurels. It's up to the underdog to fight back and do at least some damage to the competition. Nvidia do whatever they please because there's no one to show them that they can't anymore.

I'm completely impartial and had been waiting like hell for AMD to screw Nvidia up so that the customer benefits but they just went out with a fart.

People just buy Nvidia, outside the 4090 AMD have the better cards down the stack, but people just buy NV. Forget these forums, this is 2% of the GPU market, and even within a supposed community of enthusiasts who are knowledgable, there's always people who will never buy NV or AMD.

That's the reality.

 

[Apex]

That's not what was said.

It's the obvious implication.

 

[Nexus18]

I think amd are relying on the "victim mentality" approach and their very vocal fan base to do the "nvidia bad, amd good and the underdog/peoples champion" pr a bit too much, it definitely comes across that way when you watch how they talk and make it out to be this good vs evil picture they paint and then the likes of MLID run with it.

I got no problems with amd pricing close to nvidia but in order for them to be asking similar prices, they absolutely need to deliver the same quality/features that nvidia do and as it is, they simply don't, yes most things like streaming/recording can be almost as good but it still isn't on par let alone beating nvidia here, not to mention other areas which are vital now e.g. upscaling. If you can't beat the competition here or even be on par not to mention, arriving late by months/years with competing features then you have no choice but to price your cards as they should be i.e. cheaper and even then, some people will simply not want to use FSR (more so if they are at a res lower than 4k or/and using a lower preset) then they have zero choice but to pay the extra for a nvidia gpu.

For example, I would be all over a 7900xtx now the issues are somewhat resolved and pricing is decent but fsr 2 iq makes this a no go and still no real idea on how frame generation will be either, not to mention, I have grown very fond of nvidias DLDSR and then we have the ray reconstruction/dlss 3.5 which is a bit of a game changer for RT.

 

[Troezar]

I think amd are relying on the "victim mentality" approach and their very vocal fan base to do the "nvidia bad, amd good and the underdog/peoples champion" pr a bit too much, it definitely comes across that way when you watch how they talk and make it out to be this good vs evil picture they paint and then the likes of MLID run with it.

I got no problems with amd pricing close to nvidia but in order for them to be asking similar prices, they absolutely need to deliver the same quality/features that nvidia do and as it is, they simply don't, yes most things like streaming/recording can be almost as good but it still isn't on par let alone beating nvidia here, not to mention other areas which are vital now e.g. upscaling. If you can't beat the competition here or even be on par not to mention, arriving late by months/years with competing features then you have no choice but to price your cards as they should be i.e. cheaper and even then, some people will simply not want to use FSR (more so if they are at a res lower than 4k or/and using a lower preset) then they have zero choice but to pay the extra for a nvidia gpu.

For example, I would be all over a 7900xtx now the issues are somewhat resolved and pricing is decent but fsr 2 iq makes this a no go and still no real idea on how frame generation will be either, not to mention, I have grown very fond of nvidias DLDSR and then we have the ray reconstruction/dlss 3.5 which is a bit of a game changer for RT.

No sure why anyone needs any upscaling or frame gen with a 7900XTX or 4090. I'd be buying them so I don't have to use them. Now RT I can understand if that's something you value/require.

 

[Nexus18]

No sure why anyone needs any upscaling or frame gen with a 7900XTX or 4090. I'd be buying them so I don't have to use them. Now RT I can understand if that's something you value/require.

Plenty of recent games showing 4090/7900xtx ******** the bed and only way to get FPS above is reducing settings drastically or using upscaling. Not to mention if you game at high Res or/and high refresh rate.

No chance a 4090/7900xtx will deliver me 140+ FPS in most of the newer games at 3440x1440 without upscaling and in some games, even frame gen is required.

 

[Troezar]

Plenty of recent games showing 4090/7900xtx ******** the bed and only way to get FPS above is reducing settings drastically or using upscaling. Not to mention if you game at high Res or/and high refresh rate.

No chance a 4090/7900xtx will deliver me 140+ FPS in most of the newer games at 3440x1440 without upscaling and in some games, even frame gen is required.

I can see why you might want 140+ but do you need it? Competitive FPS people are not playing at 4K with maxed settings and, so I told, the single player lot are happy with 60fps. Maybe you're just a demanding user?

All joking aside those reviews with Ultra settings are a bit of a joke, turn down a few key settings and suddenly the frame rate will rocket with no discernible difference to the visuals.

 

[Nitefly]

I’ve only been browsing this sub-forum the last few days but the whole Nvidia vs AMD thing seems very ‘animated’

There’s nothing wrong with being disappointed in a product release but if you find yourself materially bothered by it, as a consumer, it might be best to give yourself a bit of distance so you’re not so invested.

Just buy the card that best suits your needs and budget, or if the value prospect doesn’t seem right… don’t buy it *shrug*

 

[Nexus18]

I can see why you might want 140+ but do you need it? Competitive FPS people are not playing at 4K with maxed settings and, so I told, the single player lot are happy with 60fps. Maybe you're just a demanding user?

All joking aside those reviews with Ultra settings are a bit of a joke, turn down a few key settings and suddenly the frame rate will rocket with no discernible difference to the visuals.

On qd oled, it is noticeable tbh. Even then, it's incredibly hard to get a consistent 110+ FPS.

But yeah reducing settings is a good way to improve FPS but even when no need for higher FPS, I still use dlss for the better aa or if there is load of performance on the table, use dldsr with dlss.

 

[Amatsubu]

People just buy Nvidia, outside the 4090 AMD have the better cards down the stack, but people just buy NV. Forget these forums, this is 2% of the GPU market, and even within a supposed community of enthusiasts who are knowledgable, there's always people who will never buy NV or AMD.

That's the reality.

The thing is, their cards aren't consistently better below the 4090, that's the point. If they were, I wouldn't as much as look towards the 4000 series, which is one of nvidia's worst showings, and I imagine many enthusiasts wouldn't either.

They're just cheaper and offer slightly better performance for the price but lose out in tech, RT and power efficiency. Price/perf is definitely on their side but it's too little and too late to really make a difference.

The 7800xt doesn't beat the 4070 in everything, which it should comfortably to really shine but I realise that's asking too much given the way they seem to be handling things. 7800XT has slightly faster raster and more vram but the 4070 is around 3080 performance while drawing much less power, running off of a single 8-pin and having better RT and DLSS3.0 on top of that.
These are reasonable advantages IMO but the card is just too expensive, though not expensive enough over the 7800XT to sway most people towards AMD when they know there is stuff the 4070 just does better.

Outside fanboys, people buy nvidia because their feature set is better. No one would buy them if AMD was consistently and meaningfully better across the board, I think so at least.

 

[Troezar]

The thing is, their cards aren't consistently better below the 4090, that's the point. If they were, I wouldn't as much as look towards the 4000 series, which is one of nvidia's worst showings, and I imagine many enthusiasts wouldn't either.

They're just cheaper and offer slightly better performance for the price but lose out in tech, RT and power efficiency. Price/perf is definitely on their side but it's too little and too late to really make a difference.

The 7800xt doesn't beat the 4070 in everything, which it should comfortably to really shine but I realise that's asking too much given the way they seem to be handling things. 7800XT has slightly faster raster and more vram but the 4070 is around 3080 performance while drawing much less power, running off of a single 8-pin and having better RT and DLSS3.0 on top of that.
These are reasonable advantages IMO but the card is just too expensive, though not expensive enough over the 7800XT to sway most people towards AMD when they know there is stuff the 4070 just does better.

Outside fanboys, people buy nvidia because their feature set is better. No one would buy them if AMD was consistently and meaningfully better across the board, I think so at least.

Aren't Nvidia a process node ahead of AMD? I'd be shocked if AMD were better in any way in that case.

 

[Nexus18]

The sad part is, there is still absolutely nothing worthwhile for 6800xt/6900xt/3080 owners who got their gpus for MSRP 4090 is the best upgrade for me but can't justify £1+k on a gpu especially one that may still have fire risk issues, ultimately, I don't think I am going to have a choice though if games keep on getting released in a **** state, hopefully amds fsr 3 will be good and us ampere/rdna 2 owners some extra longevity

 

[Amatsubu]

Aren't Nvidia a process node ahead of AMD? I'd be shocked if AMD were better in any way in that case.

Honestly, I'm so out of the loop due to the whole GPU market situation that I have no idea where both stand technologically, just researching the best (yeah, lol) options since I'll have to upgrade at some point

 

[fish]

Lots of tools and programs use cuda too. This is kind of a double edged sword as it makes the cards good for productivity and gaming. For this reason I don’t currently consider AMD cards as my work has move more over into this territory in the last couple of years.

 

[Troezar]

The sad part is, there is still absolutely nothing worthwhile for 6800xt/6900xt/3080 owners who got their gpus for MSRP 4090 is the best upgrade for me but can't justify £1+k on a gpu especially one that may still have fire risk issues, ultimately, I don't think I am going to have a choice though if games keep on getting released in a **** state, hopefully amds fsr 3 will be good and us ampere/rdna 2 owners some extra longevity

Yes best thing to do is right off this gen from both sides and see what the next one brings. My 6950XT will do what I need for some time yet at 2560x1440, gives me time to see what happens. Intel may have saved us by then

 

[TNA]

I’ve only been browsing this sub-forum the last few days but the whole Nvidia vs AMD thing seems very ‘animated’

There’s nothing wrong with being disappointed in a product release but if you find yourself materially bothered by it, as a consumer, it might be best to give yourself a bit of distance so you’re not so invested.

Just buy the card that best suits your needs and budget, or if the value prospect doesn’t seem right… don’t buy it *shrug*

Edit: I only just noticed that says she instead of he

 

[heatonpkmassive]

It's the obvious implication.

There's a difference between implying something and actually saying it as a statement of fact.

Using the word implication suggests that this is what you have perceived, not necessarily what is fact.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

I'm completely impartial and had been waiting like hell for AMD to screw Nvidia up so that the customer benefits but they just went out with a fart.

That's pretty much where I'm at. There are certain AMD/ATI cards I had and loved, such as the 9800 Pro and the 5850, I have no bias.

But AMD are effectively helping NVidia screw us all over by basically giving up. They are both as bad as one another.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

People just buy Nvidia, outside the 4090 AMD have the better cards down the stack, but people just buy NV. Forget these forums, this is 2% of the GPU market, and even within a supposed community of enthusiasts who are knowledgable, there's always people who will never buy NV or AMD.

That's the reality.

You sound like an AMD fanboy, maybe you're not but that's what you sound like. They are BOTH as bad as one another.

 

[TNA]

The sad part is, there is still absolutely nothing worthwhile for 6800xt/6900xt/3080 owners who got their gpus for MSRP 4090 is the best upgrade for me but can't justify £1+k on a gpu especially one that may still have fire risk issues, ultimately, I don't think I am going to have a choice though if games keep on getting released in a **** state, hopefully amds fsr 3 will be good and us ampere/rdna 2 owners some extra longevity

I am waiting for the day this happens to post something like this:

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