Soldato
They're cheaper than NV and usually higher bandwidth/vram, which is all relevant-you have to wait for it, like you did with DLSS3 but longer but again-cheaper.
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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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Man of Honour
Which one though, FG exists in many games, and its implementation by the game devs dictates how good the IQ is, just like DLSS, just like FSR etc.
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Soldato
First off DLSS3 on the 4090 isn't indicative of what you get on the rest of the 40 series stack, it will present the least artifacts/temporal instability due to the sheer speed/vram of the GPU.
Games I've seen in the flesh on a 4070, DL2, there can be about 4 ropes on view, SM MM, multiple waypoints/labs etc flash randomly all over the screen at the same time and you can get parts of skyscrapers present in the sky.
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Man of Honour
Ok that's fair, I have not seen what FG is like on the lower end 40 series so cannot comment on that. It makes sense though because the sheer power of the 4090 has shown me what even just normal RT looks like vs how I saw it on the 3080 Ti in games like Cyberpunk where the latency response was much slower, and thus the result was lower IQ due to the slower GPU vs the 4090.
I bet it is something that will continually evolve though too, just like how DLSS upscaling did from v 1 to v2.
I bet it is something that will continually evolve though too, just like how DLSS upscaling did from v 1 to v2.
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I've been mega impressed with FG on the 4080 in geforce now. Pretty much what the youtubers etc. say is true though, your base fps needs to be 60+ fps in order to get a good experience surrounding not noticing latency. That's why FSR 3 for consoles will not be a big deal as they would be playing base of 30 fps, unless amd have somehow managed to beat nvidias workaround to deal with latency all through their magical drivers.
It really is game changing tech though, people who say it's just tv motion interpolation and the usual nonsense of not being anything new have clearly not used/seen it for themselves.
Can't wait for dlss 4 and the 50xx series now
Soldato
What you blabbing on about, 60+ fps and FG shows minimal artefacts whether on a 4070 or 4090.
Can't wait for dlss 4 and the 50xx series now
What if it is locked to the 5000 series and you are stuck on a 4090
Soldato
I've been mega impressed with FG on the 4080 in geforce now. Pretty much what the youtubers etc. say is true though, your base fps needs to be 60+ fps in order to get a good experience surrounding not noticing latency. That's why FSR 3 for consoles will not be a big deal as they would be playing base of 30 fps, unless amd have somehow managed to beat nvidias workaround to deal with latency all through their magical drivers.
It really is game changing though, people who say it's just tv motion interpolation and the usual nonsense of not being anything new have clearly not used/seen it for themselves.
Can't wait for dlss 4 and the 50xx series now
That's what I'll be spending my pension money on!
Soldato
I've been mega impressed with FG on the 4080 in geforce now. Pretty much what the youtubers etc. say is true though, your base fps needs to be 60+ fps in order to get a good experience surrounding not noticing latency. That's why FSR 3 for consoles will not be a big deal as they would be playing base of 30 fps, unless amd have somehow managed to beat nvidias workaround to deal with latency all through their magical drivers.
It really is game changing tech though, people who say it's just tv motion interpolation and the usual nonsense of not being anything new have clearly not used/seen it for themselves.
Can't wait for dlss 4 and the 50xx series now
Got quite a long wait, Q1 2025 going by Nvidia's own info and other info coming out, Best case scenario is October next year.
Imagine the 6000 series with DLSS5, The game will play itself so you can then go outside and experience real world ray tracing which is DLSS 9000+ !
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Soldato
Balanced reply gets a reply.
Forgot latency, when I got the 4070 on CP although it looked very very smooth, it felt far from it and got switched back off, haven't tried it since.
There's a whole lot of variables involved and waiting to see how the 79XTX fares on FG, but I'm not holding my breath on a 65" QD Oled.
Soldato
Hurt, can't help you there.
Responses like this is why I don't express opinion on DLSS very often.
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He is right tho, frame generation artifacts are framerate dependent and not GPU tier dependent.
Soldato
He isn't.
Artifacts are worse at lower fps.
FG works above a minimum threshold, if a 4090 can pump out 150 fps at X settings and the 4070 only manages 100 fps on lower than X settings, its artifacting more the slower the fps.
Go and look at a 4060 trying to do FG, it's comical at times.
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Exactly. Pretty much everyone has said that frame generation needs 60 fps to be good. Much like how free/g sync isn't a silver bullet for anything below 60 fps either.
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Man of Honour
That will likely be because path tracing in CP is super GPU heavy, and with FG enabled, the baseline fps even if it's 60fps results in high render and/or input latency which Reflex can only do so much to improve, so having the much higher baseline on say a 4080 and 4090 results in not noticing the only then small increase in latency when FG is enabled.
Sadly the only way around that is having a 4080 at the minimum, a 4090 obviously has no issue as it path traces without FG at 80fps on average at 1440p.
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Soldato
It was just using ultra RT'ing@1080p at the time, hopefully it's improved since then.
Agree with you on the 4080/90 baseline, that's where best results will be IMO.
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Soldato
Yeah but will it make me breakfast and tell me my butt looks great in these new jeans ? That is the real question !
Caporegime
The new tech is exciting but I'm still concerned about how much they'll use it to manipulate every GPU series going forward.
We're now at a stage where it's longer between each gen and when it does come you're expected to drop £1500 for the card that offers the most value for money.
If you step down a model, you're still paying over a grand and the performance drop off is gigantic. Hopefully the 5 series doesn't follow the same pattern but...
We're now at a stage where it's longer between each gen and when it does come you're expected to drop £1500 for the card that offers the most value for money.
If you step down a model, you're still paying over a grand and the performance drop off is gigantic. Hopefully the 5 series doesn't follow the same pattern but...
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