NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Dicehunter]

I don't know if I’d waste £500 on being an Intel beta tester, especially if it releases mid year. At that point just wait for the next Nvidia or AMD series.

Depends if Intel can bring everything they've done with their current driver to the new cards right out of the gate, Then it will be an actual good buy right away rather than having to wait 12+ months for the driver team to sort things out.

 

[Nexus18]

RT isn't representative of overall performance and paints the 40-series in a better light.

The 4080S is around 50% faster than a 3080, is that worth a minimum £600 cost-to-change?

90-95% of the games I have played over the past 2-3 years have had RT in some form and it's only getting used more and more heavily now, I don't care for raster anymore.

If we knew exactly when the 50xx was due it would be a big factor in what to do tbf i.e. if 50xx out end of this year, pointless but if not till next year, well then, more tempting given all the RT titles I'll be playing this year.

I'm not in a rush as it is though as I'm not really playing anything that really needs a new GPU i.e. we don't have any more AW 2 or cp 2077 PT kind of titles yet.





I agree it is still pretty poor value but as it is, there is nothing else much better on the market value wise (except 4090 considering the perf it has). AMD gpus are a no go for me due to their inferior features imo, they would need to be at least 25% cheaper than the nvidia equivalent.

 

[Dicehunter]

I'm not in a rush as it is though as I'm not really playing anything that really needs a new GPU i.e. we don't have any more AW 2 or cp 2077 PT kind of titles yet.

My main games are World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV and Star Trek Online, All games that can run on a toaster, My 4090FE is complete overkill for them... it's only now and then with updates to CP2077 or Star Citizen that I launch them, Look around for a few minutes, Say "ooooh shiny" then don't touch them again for months on end

If we knew exactly when the 50xx was due it would be a big factor in what to do tbf i.e. if 50xx out end of this year, pointless but if not till next year, well then, more tempting given all the RT titles I'll be playing this year.

I'm still banking on October/November this year.

 

[Nexus18]

My main games are World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV and Star Trek Online, All games that can run on a toaster, My 4090FE is complete overkill for them... it's only now and then with updates to CP2077 or Star Citizen that I launch them, Look around for a few minutes, Say "ooooh shiny" then don't touch them again for months on end



I'm still banking on October/November this year.

I think we'll see the 5090 in October/November with the lower range launching end of January-March 2025

One thing that's for sure is the days of getting 3080 kind of perf for £650 are long gone. We will see a shift in prices coming back down but it will all be done in such a way so as to make them look like bargains compared to ada i.e.

5090 - £1500
5080 (probably about 4090 or slightly better) - £900
5070 (below 4090 performance) - £700
5060 - £550

Or something along those lines.

We definetly won't see a repeat of the 3080 to 3090 performance and pricing as well that was just ridiculous

 

[Author_25]

"As so often with ASUS products, we noticed some coil whine with this card and classified it as moderate" oooops

You would think Asus would try to eliminate the coil whine, for the premium they charge for there cards.

Though as the sold out 4080S Strix shows, why care people are still buying.

 

[Author_25]

90-95% of the games I have played over the past 2-3 years have had RT in some form and it's only getting used more and more heavily now, I don't care for raster anymore.

If we knew exactly when the 50xx was due it would be a big factor in what to do tbf i.e. if 50xx out end of this year, pointless but if not till next year, well then, more tempting given all the RT titles I'll be playing this year.

I'm not in a rush as it is though as I'm not really playing anything that really needs a new GPU i.e. we don't have any more AW 2 or cp 2077 PT kind of titles yet.





I agree it is still pretty poor value but as it is, there is nothing else much better on the market value wise (except 4090 considering the perf it has). AMD gpus are a no go for me due to their inferior features imo, they would need to be at least 25% cheaper than the nvidia equivalent.

I agree that RT is on the rise but Rasterization is important its the backbone of any GPU, and AMD in the main, are better at this than Nvidia, but with out the RT performance there sales will be held back.

Rumours though have the RX8000 series RT performance stepping up quite a bit and may not be RTX 5000 series level but at least the current RTX 4000, and at a lower price.

 

[stooeh]

My main games are World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV and Star Trek Online, All games that can run on a toaster, My 4090FE is complete overkill for them... it's only now and then with updates to CP2077 or Star Citizen that I launch them, Look around for a few minutes, Say "ooooh shiny" then don't touch them again for months on end



I'm still banking on October/November this year.

Might have to get a 4090 myself or maybe a 5090 - WoW Classic just too demanding for the current generation of cards! CPU might need an upgrade too though

 

[Dicehunter]

Might have to get a 4090 myself or maybe a 5090 - WoW Classic just too demanding for the current generation of cards! CPU might need an upgrade too though

Gen 5 NVME in Raid0 too just to be on the safe side !

You would think Asus would try to eliminate the coil whine, for the premium they charge for there cards.

Though as the sold out 4080S Strix shows, why care people are still buying.

Few years ago OCUK worked with a manufacturer to release some 980 or 980Ti's ? Can't remember the exact card but it was an Nvidia reference with silver sexy blower cooler that had extra resin around certain components to help vastly reduce coil whine, Worked quite nicely, You'd think Asus would want to do something along similar lines to raise the quality of their cards.

 

[Joxeon]

I think we'll see the 5090 in October/November with the lower range launching end of January-March 2025

One thing that's for sure is the days of getting 3080 kind of perf for £650 are long gone. We will see a shift in prices coming back down but it will all be done in such a way so as to make them look like bargains compared to ada i.e.

5090 - £1500
5080 - £900
5070 - £700
5060 - £550

Or something along those lines.

We definetly won't see a repeat of the 3080 to 3090 performance and pricing as well that was just ridiculous

Looking at performance percentage this gen in relation to the 4090 compared to last gen in relation to the 3090 the 4080 super and 4070ti super would fall in here.

 

[Armageus]

Looking at performance percentage this gen in relation to the 4090 compared to last gen in relation to the 3090 the 4080 super and 4070ti super would fall in here.

I have no idea what that's even supposed to mean

 

[Viberious]

Well my order for the Proart came back out of stock, so cancelled it and went for the Suprim X should be here tomorrow. I had originally thought about leaving the GPU till things become available, but thought Im going to pay the same anyway.

 

[subbytna]

If the 5080 is at least 30% above the 4090, and no more than £900 I will buy it. If the 5090 is 50+% above the 4090 and no more than £1500 I will consider that too. But more like the 5080, as I expect because the performance gains will be smaller this coming nextgen, they will do the same as with the 30xx series, and the cards will be stacked closer together in performance, the 5080 will NO WAY be as cut down from the 5090 as we saw with the 4080 and 4090. I think this will also apply to the rest of the stack down to the 5060.

I think part of this will be inevitable, if the rumors are true about AMD bringing a $500 GPU offering 4080 performance, if that's true, Nvidia have no choice but to bring 4090 performance for like £750.

5080 will be £1100-£1400 no problem. The 5090 will be £2k+ as Nvidia know people already pay 2k NOW for a 4090.

 

[Joxeon]

I have no idea what that's even supposed to mean

Taking the 4090 as a baseline it is 32% faster than a 4080 super and 60% faster than a 4070ti super.

Now comparing those numbers to an ampere 3090 to see where the cards would have fit that into generation performance wise.

It just highlights how much more we are paying for what are really lower classes of GPUs.

 

[subbytna]

Once this bubble bursts remember Nvidia gave you 1% extra performance and more cut down PCB components and sold it to you as the greatest thing ever and really was nothing more than same card more cut down for same price it was selling at anyways.

That's it in a nutshell

 

[Sin_Chase]

That's it in a nutshell

nVidia just pivoted on their strategy. Rather than producing the same cards in the mature process and cutting the prices they 'updated' the cards and cut the prices. The updates are not particularly significant as we all know.

It is a half decent strategy when tagretting those that never went on to the 4xxx or 3xxx series. For example, I am on a 2080 and the super cards piqued my interest (mostly on lower price) but perhaps not quite enough.

 

[Author_25]

nVidia just pivoted on their strategy. Rather than producing the same cards in the mature process and cutting the prices they 'updated' the cards and cut the prices. The updates are not particularly significant as we all know.

It is a half decent strategy when tagretting those that never went on to the 4xxx or 3xxx series. For example, I am on a 2080 and the super cards piqued my interest (mostly on lower price) but perhaps not quite enough.

As a 1070 owner the lower price of the 4080 Super got my interest as well but then the reviews and the updated PCB articles, brought me back to my senses, and most importantly, "IT'S A £1000 ARE YOU INSANE" rant that went through my head.

I knew pricing would increase with the 4000 Series, and prepared to pay more, £800ish for a 4080, but there are price increases and then there is out right fleecing of customers.

 

[Joxeon]

nVidia just pivoted on their strategy. Rather than producing the same cards in the mature process and cutting the prices they 'updated' the cards and cut the prices. The updates are not particularly significant as we all know.

It is a half decent strategy when tagretting those that never went on to the 4xxx or 3xxx series. For example, I am on a 2080 and the super cards piqued my interest (mostly on lower price) but perhaps not quite enough.

Its clever marketing from Nvidia especially the 4080S which is basically the same as a 4080 selling at the same price the 4080 has been selling for during the last few months anyway yet now people are rushing out to buy them...

 

[0121danwilliams84]

Its clever marketing from Nvidia especially the 4080S which is basically the same as a 4080 selling at the same price the 4080 has been selling for during the last few months anyway yet now people as rushing out to buy them...

It's a literal "screw you dumb ass" to people who just see the word Super and want a new GPU. It's all marketing though and this is how you play the game. They had the power to release something exciting that offered a value upgrade...but no!

 

[Rroff]

Pretty disgusting really - the 4080 Super should have been 20GB VRAM and a good 10-15% performance uplift over the 4080.

It's a literal "screw you dumb ass" to people

I don't know how much blatant nVidia can get aside from inscribing a middle finger on the shroud, they are literally laughing at people.

 

[Nexus18]

Out of interest, all the ones mentioning about nvidia fleecing yous etc. are you all considering alternatives? i.e. amd gpus? Surely they meet the needs since cheaper and more vram?

I agree that RT is on the rise but Rasterization is important its the backbone of any GPU, and AMD in the main, are better at this than Nvidia, but with out the RT performance there sales will be held back.

Rumours though have the RX8000 series RT performance stepping up quite a bit and may not be RTX 5000 series level but at least the current RTX 4000, and at a lower price.

Outside of like 2 games i.e. COD and whatever the other one is, nvidia isn't that far behind on raster, it's neck in neck, wins some, loses some.

No doubt amd will improve and probably be on par with the old gen/ada with their new 8xxx gpus but they need to be focussing on getting their features up to par too i.e. upscaling particularly (as even with the new gpus, chances are, you'll still have to use upscaling if you don't want to reduce settings). FSR 3 integration needs to be higher and better too. FMF as shown by DF, DO etc. so far is still very hit and miss so unless amd can fix/improve this, they need to be focussing on partnerships to get FSR 3 officially integrated and running well.